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Afrocentrists like to say things like ‘Italians were black’ and ‘the Romans were black’ and ‘The Moors were black’. All of this is based on shoddy evidence and uneducated people not knowing what they’re talking about.
In this article by an Afrocentrist, he claims that ‘Italians were black’ and talks about ‘dark-skinned Sicilians’.
Southern Italians were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” It was difficult, damn near impossible.
They were designated as “black” on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.
No idea what he’s talking about. In America at the time, Northern Italians said that Southern Italians were of a different race due to a slightly different look. Well, genetic testing shows similarities between the Northern and Southern Italians which I will get to later.
First off, it’s not only Sicilians who are ‘dark-skinned’. It’s all of Southern Europe.
The map seen above is a map of UV rays that Europe and parts of North Africa get. Notice how North Africa and Southern Europe get the same amount of UV rays. That’s the cause of the difference in appearance between the North and South of Italy.
Mass lynchings happened to them often.
Mass lynchings happened to everyone often, not just blacks and Italians. Lynchings happened to anyone who raped, murdered, or did any other heinous crime. 27 percent of those lynched between the years of 1882-1968 were white. It wasn’t only a ‘black problem’.
One of the biggest mass lynchings happened to Italians in New Orleans when they thought that a Italian immigrant had killed a “white” police officer.
Right. It was the biggest mass lynching ever in the history of the US, 11 Italians got lynched. But, what he says about the cause being ‘killing a “white” police officer’ is unfounded. They got lynched for killing the police officer, not because they were of ‘another race’.
The very few Northern Italians that immigrated here perpetuated the myth that Southern Italians and Greeks were of a different race than them in order to save their own asses. This wasn’t true, and there are actually dark-skinned Italians all over Italy, not just in the South, as well as light-skinned Italians all over Italy.
But it is true. The differences between Northern and Southern Italians are embellished due to political reasons. There are dark-skinned Italians who live in Italy but are not genetically Italian/Greek. Yes, light-skinned ‘all over Italy’, those in the North are more Germanic, while the South has slight admixture from North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. Though, some from the South migrated to the North and vice versa. The amount of non-white admixture in Italians is less than that of the average for Europe:
Combined data from two large mtDNA studies provides an estimate of non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Italians. The first study sampled 411 Italians from all over the country and found five South Asian M and East Asian D sequences (1.2%) and eight sub-Saharan African L sequences (1.9%). The second study sampled 465 Sicilians and detected ten M sequences (2.2%) and three L sequences (0.65%). This makes a total of 3% non-white maternal admixture (1.3% Asian and 1.7% African), which is very low and typical for European populations, since Pliss et al. 2005, e.g., observed 1.8% Asian admixture in Poles and 1.2% African admixture in Germans. (Plaza et al. 2003; Romano et al. 2003)
Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians’ even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study’s sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study’s sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004). (Semino et al. 2004; Cruciani et al. 2004)
An analysis of 10 autosomal allele frequencies in Southern Europeans (including Italians, Sicilians and Sardinians) and various Middle Eastern/North African populations revealed a “line of sharp genetic change [that] runs from Gibraltar to Lebanon,” which has divided the Mediterranean into distinct northern and southern clusters since at least the Neolithic period. The authors conclude that “gene flow [across the sea] was more the exception than the rule,” attributing this result to “a joint product of initial geographic isolation and successive cultural divergence, leading to the origin of cultural barriers to population admixture.” (Simoni et al. 1999)
These studies show the opposite of what Afrocentrists, and even Nordicists say.
The reason I say very few is because over 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.)
Correct, and as seen above with those 3 studies, neither of them are ‘African’. My grandmother was born in Calabria. She looked like any other normal Italian woman you see on the street. These people take their ideas from movies, take genetics information from a movie like True Romance and attempt to say that all Italians are ‘black’ or ‘African’ or ‘Moorish’.
It was highly unlikely (damn near impossible) for a Southern Italian to own a slave because they were seen as the same as blacks, and at the time, they were the second (right behind blacks) most discriminated against group.
Too bad Italians started coming to America in the 1870s. What he states doesn’t even make sense because blacks owned slaves way disproportionately than whites. 4.8 percent of Southern whites, along with the North, being 1.3 percent of all whites in America in 1860 owned slaves. There are reports from New Orleans from their 1860 census that showed 3000 freed blacks owned slaves, accounting for 28 percent of the city’s population.
In 1860 Louisiana, at least 6 blacks owned more than 65 slaves, with the biggest number of slaves being 165 slaves who worked on a sugar plantation. So even if Italians were looked at as ‘black’, as you can see, blacks themselves had no problem owning slaves, and actually did it more than whites did right before slavery ended.
A lot of this confusion comes from the race of the Moors. The Moors are a Caucasoid Muslim group from North Africa. People hear ‘Africa’ and automatically think sub-Saharan Africa. Well, the Moors were Cacausoid for one. 2, as I have shown above, the amount of Moorish/Berber admixture is minute in Italians. 3rd, I will show now that the Berbers are not sub-Saharan African.
You have other Afrocentrist websites who talk about so-called ‘black Moors’. Well, the Moors were Berbers and Arabs, who are Caucasian.
Berbers live in groups scattered across NorthAfrica whose origins and genetic relationships with their neighbours are not well established. The first hypervariablesegment of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region was sequenced in a total of 155 individuals from three Tunisian Berber groups and compared to other North Africans. The mtDNA lineages found belong to a common set of mtDNA haplogroups already described in NorthAfrica. Besides the autochthonous North African U6 haplogroup, a group of L3 lineages characterized by the transition at position 16041 seems to be restricted to North Africans, suggesting that an expansion of this group of lineages took place around 10500 years ago in NorthAfrica, and spread to neighbouring populations. Principal components and the coordinate analyses show that some Berber groups (the Tuareg, the Mozabite, and the Chenini-Douiret) are outliers within the NorthAfrican genetic landscape. This outlier position is consistent with an isolation process followed by genetic drift in haplotypefrequencies, and with the high heterogeneity displayed by Berbers compared to Arab samples as shown in the AMOVA. Despite this Berber heterogeneity, no significant differences were found between Berber and Arab samples, suggesting that the Arabization was mainly a cultural process rather than a demographic replacement.
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[…] Not at all. I touched on this in my Refuting Afrocentrism: Are Italians Black? article. […]
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Yes black people created all the world for first Civilizations.What’s your point.Evidence is all over.
Ancient Egypt.
look at all these black African artifacts in Kemet,literally hundreds of thousands;
http://pin.it/dwIxCAC
Ancient Egyptian culture is black African culture, still practiced by Africans.
http://pin.it/i7lkfna
Below is images of black Egyptians today in modern Arab republic of Egypt, those that remained and did not migrate South like the others towards African greatlakes region, after Egypt was invaded by Persians,occupied by Greeks,invaded by Romans,Byzantines,Arabs(Rashidun, ummayads,Abbasid’s e.t.c),Turks, Mamelukes,French,English. e.t.c.
http://pin.it/KSSD4qE
Don’t even try to show me those modern fake statues and whitewashed ancient Egyptian paintings common in Eurocentric websites.Yes,they are fakes alright.. check the link below
http://pin.it/qHO82L_
And if you are still suffering from denialism which is a common Eurocentric disease. We DNA evidence proving ancient Egyptians were black Africans.
1)BMJ. http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268
2)JAMA. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/
article.aspx?articleid=1
3)DNA Tribes analysis1. http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-
digest-2012-01-01
4)DNA Tribes analysis 2. http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-
digest-2013-02-01
5) King tut killed by Benin sickle cell
disease
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19094-f
6)Thuya gene http://dnaconsultants.com/thuya-gene
I can go on and on,even archeology
http://www.academia.edu/6346508/
_co_authored_Cultural_convergence_in
Also if you want in details I will show you the STR profile of Ramases III.
Here are the Y- STR data for Rameses III and his son Pentawere E1b1a .Which I found in this BMJ
study http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268
Y- STR data places his YDNA haplotypes in E1b1a using Whit Athey’s Haplogroup predictor:
his DYS repeats are listed as follows:
DYS 19 19
DYS 385a,b 20
DYS 389I 13
DYS 389II 33
DYS 390 21
DYS 391 8
DYS 392 17
DYS 393 8
DYS 437 14
DYS 438 10
DYS 448 20
DYS 456 13
YGATAH4 13
Plugging these numbers in Whit Athey’s
predictor does indeed indicate that his haplogroup is E1b1a with 99.1% probability using equal priors.Also notice none of the scientists who carried out the
research is black.So any claim of contamination is bullshit.Extra care was taken while extracting DNA
from the mummies,it was taken directly from the Bone tissue
http://www.academia.edu/2308336/
Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_
In case you don’t know, E1b1a is associated with Bantu migration..
which explains the claims of most bantu speaking peoples(south eastern bantus) and southern nilotes(Kalenjin and Datooga) that they migrated from North Africa especially Libya and Egypt.Ofcourse
others from KUSH.
black Africans of Carthage,Mediterranean islands and Anatolia
https://plus.google.com/108150772183890541491/posts/SE1QdCHh1vd
http://pin.it/GWfbbrK
Original black African founders of Ancient Greece
http://pin.it/kDBydzt
Black Romans mostly Egyptians from Thebes,Aswan and Kushites of Merowe.Numidians ancestors of modern Chadic speakers. Libyans ancestors of modern Lebou/lebu of Senegambia and Fulani people.
http://pin.it/xQR3pQA
Don’t even get me started on Kushites,Mesopotamians,Sabaeans,Canaanites, sidonians, philistines..All these were black Africans and their descendants are scattered all over Africa.Semites like Hebrews and original Arabs (Ishmaelites and Midianites) Southern Arabs,the Qurayish, Hijaz Arabs,Medina,Mecca were black.
modern jews are mostly Khazars mixed with southern Europeans,Mamlukes and Turks .Modern “Arabs” are mostly Turks,Mamlukes, persian, Andalusian Spanish Muslim converts.Ancient Hebrews and Arabs like those of Rashidun caliphate were black Semites.
http://pin.it/5Qr_80w
https://www.quora.com/Were-the-original-Arabs-of-Arabia-Black-African
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Besides there are even blonde Southern Italians with blue eyes like the Football player Abate. He is from Napoli, Neaples http://latribunamadridista.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/abate.jpg
Here also pics of Sardinians who are claimed to be the darkest Italians. The term dark is very relative. The Sardinians lived isolated with no foreign invasion.
So blonde people can be found all over Italy.
Most Italians in the South are not even olive- skinned but medium white. The swarthyness of Southern Italians is exaggerated even the admixture with Arabs, Northern African is very low. Furthermore Italians love to be sun tanned. They also love artificial tan. Therefore they look often darker than they actually are. Keep in mind that most admixture with non European people is recent.
It’s crazy to claim that Italians were black they are 100% Caucasian and the Caucasian race is very diverse. For example I can spot a typical German, English or Scandinavian cause they have distinctly german, english or Scandinivian look despite the fact that they have similar germanic genes. Italians like all Europeans also Germans, French, Brits have regional different look. Afrocentrics since they fabricate many stuff they contradict often themselves when it suits they claim that ancient Romans and Greek were black otherwise they claim that they were white who have stolen everything from the black Egyptians. The point is that Afrocentrics are stealing the whole world history and turning everybody into negroes. They started with Ancient Egyptians were black now they are claiming that Arabs, Hebrews, ancient Chinese, Phoenecians, Mesopothamians, Native Americans, the Aztecs the Vikings, King James, Charles V etc were black. For example they claim that Assyrians or Arabs were black just because they had braided hair in ancient times: According to Afrocentric nutcase braided hair is a negroid trait, so if people had braided they were automatically black. What also Afro-Americans leave out that blonde blue eyed Irish were treated like dirt and lynched too despite being white. Among White Americans in the past there was in hierarchy where the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, the English, Scottish and Nothern Irish were on the top of society. Being Catholic was a disadvantage among predominantly Protestant settlers. Therefore the Irish and the Italians who were Roman Catholics were discriminated. What many people also fail to understand is pigmentation alone doesn’t determine race. It’s also stupid don lump all Africans that are diverse in one basket as one people. The internet is spammed with “I’m-in-a-straight-jacket-and-padded-room-because-I’m-clinically-insane” sort of Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism is founded on lies, halftruth, fiction and feel good myth. It is paranoia, denial, and filled with conspiracy theories.
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Sorry to break your Eurocentric bubble but indigenous North Africans are black.Pure Berbers are black http://pin.it/YJ23dwO ,the first Moor invasion of Europe was led by a black Berber called Tariq Ibn Ziyad .Neolithic North Africans were black Africans before the mixing with Romans,Phoenicians, Visigoths,mullato Moor migrants (descendants of the black Moors),Arabs,White Andalusian migrants from Spain,white slaves of BARBARY slave trade,Mamlukes slaves of Ottoman empire Turks, e.t.c..All Saharan cave paintings show black people inhabited the whole of North Africa.These white spaniards had converted to Islam,Where they were forced by the Christian reconquista armies to abandon their mansions, vineyards,and everything.they then migrated to Africa with the Moors.The myth that black people never existed in North Africa has to stop..Archeological evidence of black Africans in North Africa is everywhere.. Tassil plateau rock paintings show black people occupied the whole of North Africa. The Libyan tribes described by Herodotus are todays the Niger-Congo Speakers according to the customs described.The Afro-Asiatic Chadic speakers like Hausa descended from the Population of Carthage that mixed with the Niger-Congo Numidians.. Tamasheq,Tamahaq ( Tuareg languages) are the oldest Berber languages written in the TIFNAGH SCRIPTS. Eurocentric historians love to use the term “sub-saharan Africans” when describing black Africans, as if implying that Blacks are only found South of the Sahara..These pseudo-historians imagine the Sahara desert as a historic barrier preventing Blacks from accessing North Africa.Then I am like WHAT?? You thought indigenous north Africans were caucasians?.WRONG. Black Africans are the indigenous populations of North Africa,South Africa, Central Africa, West Africa,East Africa and African Islands.
Even today their are Indigenous black Africans living North of Sahara MAGHREB (Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Western Sahara,Libya),Sudan and Egypt. http://pin.it/ZWOUQWZ .There are black Africans living within and South of Sahara SAHEL (Mali,Chad,Niger,Senegal,Gambia,Mauritania) .Shoot Blacks are the indigenous population of most of the world
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@Gian Luca
Excellent comment sir. Facts don’t matter of course, the nay sayers will simply find a photo of a gypsy, or of the ugliest old man, or of a summertime sun-tanned guy and claim it is “proof” of whatever their preordained theory is; and the theory cannot be wrong apparently.
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It’s really annoying when uneducated black American ghetto scholars that never set foot in Europe, Africa, the Middle East or Asia want to lecture the whole world, Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners and Asian about their identity and history. The point is that Americans whether white or black look at everything outside America with the American cultural lense. Therefore they don’t understand European historical sources and culture and come to the wrong conclusions. The term “black” in the European context doesn’t always mean a Subsaharan negro like in America. The term”black” in European context can also mean swarthy, sun tanned or just having dark hair and eyes. For example the Russians call people from The Caucasus(Irony) black because they have dark hair and brown eyes yet they are white. The Irish call someone with brown till dark brown hair BLACK IRISH. The black Irish doesn’t refer to race but to hair and eye colour. For example in South America biracial people are called never black but mulutto while in America they are called black. So when Northern Italians calls Southern Italians black they are exaggerating and joking. There is no Nothern Italian that think that Southern Italians are black in the sense of being negroes. This woman is from South Italy, Sardinia that is darker than many Northern Italians: She is still very white and 100% Mediterranean Caucasian. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/67/79/8d/67798dcf5e24394530b3b50dc2e726ca.jpg
Afrocentrics with their lies , identity theft and rewriting history in such aggressive manner are becoming just troll of the history world. They always misrepresent facts by twisting and distorting them. In their typical Afrocentric lying fashion they give false explainations and they take advantage of the fact that especially Americans are very ignorant and uneducated when it comes to history, other cultures and geography.
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I’ve heard of this. That doesn’t mean they’re discussing the actual ‘race’ of the individual in question. Those from the Caucus are, obviously, Cacuasioids.
Interesting. Never heard this before.
Because America recognizes the One Drop Rule, while they seem to go with a definition that makes more sense in Brazil. Though, there is evidence that race and skin color are starting to become blurred due to a lot of mixing.
Yes Northern Italians do think that of Southern Italians. See the stupid move True Romance for that, saying that Southern Italians are ‘black’ or have both substantial black and Arab admixture, which is not true as you can see from the studies I have shown.
Yep. They attempt to take advantage of the low-information average American by saying this, and because it “sounds right” to them, they will then believe it.
Of course. Because there has been migration from both the North and the South in recent memory. Though there are some people who are from the area with those traits who didn’t come from the North.
My uncle is darker than that, my family is from Calabria. Sardinians are pretty white. They have a distinct genetic clade due to being isolated on the island. They are the remnants of the Phoenicians and speak a Phoenician language.
The swarthyness of those in the South is due to the climate of the area, which you can see they get the same UV rays as North Africa. Yes, it’s recent admixture, and it’s minute!! It’s actually LESS than that for the whole of Europe. So for all of those calling Italians non-European, you’d have to do the same for Poles (1.8 percent Asian), Germans (1.2 percent African), and Austrians (.8 percent African).
Hahaha yes. It’s ridiculous. I’m pretty sure that we’re up to the point now with them that they’ve claimed to be every great civilization in the past now. Yes, only Africans braid their hair, no one else has ever done it but them. The logic with that one is mind bogling.
Right. It didn’t have to do with race, but religion and other ideologies. Though, those Northern Italians did say that Southern Italians were of a ‘different race’ than they, which led to the discrimination of Southern Italians when the mass migration to America began in the 1870s.
Exactly. Skin color, while a good proxy for ancestry, doesn’t tell the whole story. I’ve read many articles by Afrocentrists. It’s even more funny when you know the historical truth behind it and see them attempt to grasp at something that you know the truth of, but attempting to twist it to fit their own beliefs, their own stories, and their own preconceived notions they have in their heads of ‘them being kangs’.
It’s a huge conspiracy theory to them, that the so-called evil white man took everything the Africans ever did and hid it from them or whatever ridiculous story they have.
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Sorry to break your Eurocentric bubble but indigenous North Africans are black.Pure Berbers are black http://pin.it/YJ23dwO ,the first Moor invasion of Europe was led by a black Berber called Tariq Ibn Ziyad .Neolithic North Africans were black Africans before the mixing with Romans,Phoenicians, Visigoths,mullato Moor migrants (descendants of the black Moors),Arabs,White Andalusian migrants from Spain,white slaves of BARBARY slave trade,Mamlukes slaves of Ottoman empire Turks, e.t.c..All Saharan cave paintings show black people inhabited the whole of North Africa.These white spaniards had converted to Islam,Where they were forced by the Christian reconquista armies to abandon their mansions, vineyards,and everything.they then migrated to Africa with the Moors.The myth that black people never existed in North Africa has to stop..Archeological evidence of black Africans in North Africa is everywhere.. Tassil plateau rock paintings show black people occupied the whole of North Africa. The Libyan tribes described by Herodotus are todays the Niger-Congo Speakers according to the customs described.The Afro-Asiatic Chadic speakers like Hausa descended from the Population of Carthage that mixed with the Niger-Congo Numidians.. Tamasheq,Tamahaq ( Tuareg languages) are the oldest Berber languages written in the TIFNAGH SCRIPTS. Eurocentric historians love to use the term “sub-saharan Africans” when describing black Africans, as if implying that Blacks are only found South of the Sahara..These pseudo-historians imagine the Sahara desert as a historic barrier preventing Blacks from accessing North Africa.Then I am like WHAT?? You thought indigenous north Africans were caucasians?.WRONG. Black Africans are the indigenous populations of North Africa,South Africa, Central Africa, West Africa,East Africa and African Islands.
Even today their are Indigenous black Africans living North of Sahara MAGHREB (Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Western Sahara,Libya),Sudan and Egypt. http://pin.it/ZWOUQWZ .There are black Africans living within and South of Sahara SAHEL (Mali,Chad,Niger,Senegal,Gambia,Mauritania) .Shoot Blacks are the indigenous population of most of the world.
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This isn’t a Eurocentric article.
Berbers are Arabized Caucasoids. Maybe you missed the study I cited.
Source that he was sub-Saharan African?
The Romans depicted the North Africans as Caucasoids; not black Africans.
Neolithic North Africans weren’t black. Neanderthals were in North Africa in pre-Neolithic times.
Afro-Asiatic language meaning Arabic.
The whole rest of your comment is Afrocentric garbage, as I’ve shown that the Berbers were Caucasian.
And? Migrations to other countries is a thing you know (especially ones that are even slightly better economically).
What do you mean by this?
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hahahahahahaha.. what a bunch of Eurocentric revisionism, wishful thinking,Pseudo-history.,
Did you even visit my board on Pinterest http://pin.it/MqkxMM6 . Maybe then you may get a grip how Indigenous Berbers really looked like.But Ofcourse since you are suffering from DENIALISM.. you won’t. because your interest is not knowing the truth but protecting Eurocentric lies,otherwise your white supremacy fantasy will mean nothing.
Are you disputing the clear rock art paintings at Algerian Tassil plateau showing BLACK AFRICANS in Neolithic green Sahara?..Or Tammanssaret TIFNAGH script written in Tuareg language? Not even one rock painting shows a Caucasian person, they were still in caucus mountains caves or they simply didn’t exist at this period according to this published study.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210056/White-Europeans-evolved-5-500-years-ago-food-habits-changed.html
..Do you know that the purest Berbers are Libyan Tuaregs? Even the TIFNAGH SCRIPT which was used all over north Africa was written in the Tuareg language Tamashek. This is according to the Berbers themselves. I have Tuareg friends from Algeria living here in Kenya..Do you know Berber Y haplogroup E-M81 is a descendant E3b which originated in East Africa where it has the most diversity. E-M81 sometimes referred to as the
genetic “Berber marker”. Pereira et al. 2010
reported the highest levels ever amongst Tuareg in two
Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-
Gorom , in Burkina Faso West Africa and 81.8% from Gosi in Mali West Africa.
Do you know 90% of Tuaregs known in Almoravid times as LAMTUNA are black.The blackest and purest Tuaregs are Libyan,Algerian,Tunisian,and Niger,burkina faso and Northern Nigerian tuareg Berbers are black .The images you show me are Andalusian Amazigh,who are assimilated Berbers that came from Andalus,mostly Grenada in Spain and settled in Rabat Morocco, Algiers Algeria, Tunis Tunisia. Then they spread inwards during Abbasid,Iraqi-north ‘African Almohad,iranian-north African Fatimid caliphate.It is after the Almohad and Fatimid caliphates took control that the white Andalusian slaves overthrew their Black Berber masters slew them and chased morrocan,Algerian,Tuaregs South.This rebellion was led by white andulusian Berber known as IBN TUMART .Most Berbers from Morrocco, western Sahara (sahrawi),Mauritania and Northern Mali are Mullatoes 30%,abbasid Arabs 20% and Harratin 40%..soninke 10%..Harratin are descendants of a sedentary population of who have lived in the location since the Neolithic period when the Sahara was occupied by black skinned people..The Berbers of Almoravid dynasty were mostly Tuareg Lamtunas and Sanhaja also known as Zenaga,which gave the name to the country Senegal.. The Sahrawis are the back migration of these Moors After they were cast out of Spain after the Spanish RECONQUISTA.Their Muslim white slaves from Andalusia rebelled and sided with Turks,Iraqis,shiites and Mamelukes against them during the almohad caliphate. That’s how the sahrawi and Tuaregs of morroco were forced
to flee South towards western Sahara which was Inhabitted by Draawi or draa black ancestors of modern haratin people related to Tuaregs lamta ancestors. Since haratin weren’t Muslims at this period they were enslaved on their own land by sahrawis.It was these mullato sahrawi Moors that destroyed ancient Ghana a campaign they considered Jihad against Kaffirs (non-muslims)
This is why i disagree with your study..Neanderthals in Africa is a hoax created to distort North African history.
Do you know that the Oldest MUMMY ever found in North Africa is the MUMMY of a black African boy known as TASHWINAT MUMMY or the BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uan_Muhuggiag
Explain to me why then does these black indiginous North Africans do not have traces of neanderthal DNA?
It is like coming to South Africa and using the white population of cape town as your sample population then concluding since the Boers of South Africa have neanderthals DNA there must have been neanderthals in South Africa.It is an error taking genetic samples of these white Berbers who are assimilated Berbers former enslaved whites from Andalusia then using their DNA as representative of all Berbers.Despite the fact pure Berbers the Tuareg are black. Other black Berbers such as the Zenaga,masmuda,Toubou,harratin,Siwa are usually deliberately excluded from these studies.Inorder to rewrite North African history. You know nothing about Berbers nor North African history.
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hahahahahahaha.. what a bunch of Eurocentric revisionism, wishful thinking,Pseudo-history.,
Did you even visit my board on Pinterest http://pin.it/MqkxMM6 . Maybe then you may get a grip how Indigenous Berbers really looked like.But Ofcourse since you are suffering from DENIALISM.. you won’t. because your interest is not knowing the truth but protecting Eurocentric lies,otherwise your white supremacy fantasy will mean nothing.
Are you disputing the clear rock art paintings at Algerian Tassil plateau showing BLACK AFRICANS in Neolithic green Sahara?..Or Tammanssaret TIFNAGH script written in Tuareg language? Not even one rock painting shows a Caucasian person, they were still in caucus mountains caves or they simply didn’t exist at this period according to this published study.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210056/White-Europeans-evolved-5-500-years-ago-food-habits-changed.html
..Do you know that the purest Berbers are Libyan Tuaregs? Even the TIFNAGH SCRIPT which was used all over north Africa was written in the Tuareg language Tamashek. This is according to the Berbers themselves. I have Tuareg friends from Algeria living here in Kenya..Do you know Berber Y haplogroup E-M81 is a descendant E3b which originated in East Africa where it has the most diversity. E-M81 sometimes referred to as the genetic “Berber marker”. Pereira et al. 2010 reported the highest levels ever amongst Tuareg in two Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-Gorom , in Burkina Faso West Africa and 81.8% from Gosi in Mali West Africa.
Do you know 90% of Tuaregs known in Almoravid times as LAMTUNA are black.The blackest and purest Tuaregs are Libyan,Algerian,Tunisian,and Niger,burkina faso and Northern Nigerian tuareg Berbers are black .The images you show me are Andalusian Amazigh,who are assimilated Berbers that came from Andalus,mostly Grenada in Spain and settled in Rabat Morocco, Algiers Algeria, Tunis Tunisia. Then they spread inwards during Abbasid,Iraqi-north ‘African Almohad,iranian-north African Fatimid caliphate.It is after the Almohad and Fatimid caliphates took control that the white Andalusian slaves overthrew their Black Berber masters slew them and chased the morrocan,Algerian,Tuaregs South.This rebellion was led by white andulusian Berber known as IBN TUMART .Most Berbers from Morrocco, western Sahara (sahrawi),Mauritania and Northern Mali are Mullatoes 30%,abbasid Arabs 20% and Harratin 40%..soninke 10%..Harratin are descendants of a sedentary population of who have lived in the location since the Neolithic period when the Sahara was occupied by black skinned people..The Berbers of Almoravid dynasty were mostly Tuareg Lamtunas and Sanhaja also known as Zenaga,which gave the name to the country Senegal.. The Sahrawis are the back migration of these Moors After they were cast out of Spain after the Spanish RECONQUISTA.Their Muslim white slaves from Andalusia rebelled and sided with Turks,Iraqis,shiites and Mamelukes against them during the almohad caliphate. That’s how the sahrawi and Tuaregs of morroco were forced
to flee South towards western Sahara which was Inhabitted by Draawi or draa black ancestors of modern haratin people related to Tuaregs lamta ancestors. Since haratin weren’t Muslims at this period they were enslaved on their own land by sahrawis and Tuaregs.It was these mullato sahrawi together with Tuaregs,that destroyed ancient Ghana in a military campaign they considered Jihad against Kaffirs (non-muslims)
This is why i disagree with your study..Neanderthals in Africa is a hoax created to distort North African history.
Do you know that the Oldest MUMMY ever found in North Africa is the MUMMY of a black African boy known as TASHWINAT MUMMY or the BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uan_Muhuggiag
Explain to me why then does these black indiginous North Africans do not have traces of neanderthal DNA?
It is like coming to South Africa and using the white population of cape town as your sample population then concluding since the Boers of South Africa have neanderthals DNA there must have been neanderthals in South Africa.It is an error taking genetic samples of these white Berbers who are assimilated Berbers former enslaved whites from Andalusia then using their DNA as representative of all Berbers.Despite the fact pure Berbers the Tuareg are black. Other black Berbers such as the Zenaga,masmuda,Toubou,harratin,Siwa are usually deliberately excluded from these studies.Inorder to rewrite North African history. You know nothing about Berbers nor North African history.
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Sure. You deserve an article all to yourself. Then we can discuss this further.
There was nothing Eurocentric in my article; it was based off of the data. But what you’re spewing is Afrocentric garbage.
I will make the post tonight or tomorrow. So many misconceptions.
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You don’t understand do you? Not only were the Berbers black but also most of the Arabs of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphates that brought Islam to North Africa.
http://savethetruearabs.blogspot.co.ke/?m=1
http://asmariy.blogspot.co.ke/2011/05/was-prophet-muhammad-black-or-caucasian.html?m=1
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/161483
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Hmmm. Should I take stories into consideration, or genetics?
The true Arabs are Caucasian. Genetics backs this up.
Since you believe these stories, were there gods on Mount Olympus? Are we made of corn? Were Romulus and Remus really raised by wolves?
Afrocentrism is a joke.
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Typical Afrocentric ghetto scholar and liar twisting and misrepresenting facts and quoting trashy afrocentric websites. The Pure black Bebers or Tuaregs are Subsharan Africans often former slaves. The Tuaregs have a complex caste system which incorporates people in slavery at the very bottom. For example in Niger or Mali those in slavery identify themselves as Tuareg and speak the Tuareg language, but their ancestry is generally linked to black African people enslaved by Tuareg raiders.
At the top of Tuareg culture are the nobles and warriors there are all light skinned Tuaregs, below them are free men most of them mulattoes. The bottom rung is reserved for slaves all of them are pure black. The darker the lower the status among the Tuaregs. Hard cold facts no matter what fairy tales afrocentric tell. Fact is the pure original Tuaregs look these people
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/thetuareg-bluemenofthesahara-150825124953-lva1-app6892/95/the-tuareg-blue-men-of-the-sahara-8-638.jpg?cb=1440519104
http://cdn.modernghana.com/thumb.aspx?img=XGltYWdlc1xjb250ZW50XGFuc2FyX2RpbmVfcGxlZGdlZF90b19yZWplY3RfYWxsX2Zvcm1zX29mX2V4dHJlbWlzbV9fYnV0X2hhdmVfc3RpbGxfdG9fcHJvdmVfdGhleV9oYXZlX2N1dF9hbHFhZWRhX3RpZXMuanBnfDQ1MA==
Many Tuaregs are on the mulatto or quadroon range. The original pure lightskinned Tuaregs are outnumbered by the mixed and black Tuaregs in many regions.
What you do is like showing pure black Americans as a proof that Anglo Saxons were black or black French, Haitians to prove that the original French were black. Pure Arabs were and are not black. All black Arabs are arabized Subsaharan Africans that took over the arab identity, culture and language. Tuaregs, Berbers and Arabs enslaved millions of black Africans and they deported them to North Africa and the entire Middle East.
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According to published genetic studies, like this one below,it is the black Berbers of West Africa,Burkina faso and Mali who have the highest frequency of the Berber haplogroup E-M81. Pereira et al. (2010) reported high levels among Tuareg in two
Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-
Gorom , in Burkina Faso, and 81.8% from Gossi
in Mali. see the study below;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21312181/?i=2&from=/19476452/related
E-M81 is the most common subclade of E-L19/V257 and found in the Maghreb,dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 42% in North Africa, decreasing in frequency from
100% in some isolated Berber populations to approximately 10% to the east of this range in
Egypt. Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite , Middle Atlas , Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic “Berber marker”.
Also according to DNA pure Arabs are the black Arabs of Sudan,Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia, Yemen. and Black bedouins of Sinai peninsula.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267
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As a typical Afrocentric misleader you apply the one drop rule to label mixed people as black for misrepresenting genetic results. The Berbers, the Tuaregs in Mali, Niger and other regions are often mixed. The Lemba have some Yemeni Jewish blood because the Hadramauti traders who travelled to the Coast of Africa settle down and have mixed with local African Bantu females. Lemba people are native Bantus that have from outside, from the paternally side some Arabic Yemeni input. Besides their admixture isn’t ancient at all. You misrepresent, twist facts plus you mix half truth with pure lies. Why Afrocentrics have the sick need to turn non- black people into blacks is beyond me. Even the most retarted Eurocentric wouldn’t claim that original Chinese, Arabs, Moors, t Aztecs, Native Americans, Nubians, the Olmec or Australian Aborigenes were white Europeans.
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The pure Arabs who migrated to Africa during the Radishun caliphate, led by Prophet Muhammed’s uncle Abu bakr..Are known as baggara Arabs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baggara
Also the first link I gave you Haplogroup J1, is not for Arabs but pure Jews..who are found mostly in Yemen and Ethiopia/Eritrea region.Also the Lemba Jews of Zimbabwe and South Africa have the highest frequencies of the Cohen modal haplotype.see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288118/
This link below shows the DNA of Pure Arabs who are found mostly in Sudan,Yemen,Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia,Sinai peninsula and Abkhazia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)
Among black Hejazi Arabs,Black bedouins of Sinai peninsula, black Sudanese Arabs e.g baggara Arabs and Misseriya Arabs.Black Abkhazians of balkans near black sea. e.t.c.
About black Abkhazians, see here;
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-moors-of-abkhazia/
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Respect the white man you useless liar. Italians are 100% white, so Sicilians. It doesn’t matter the negligible admixture of the fews with non-european people (anyway not blacks), Italy is the cradle of Western culture so we are white by definition. Race is a sentiment first of all, and every italian feels white. Ciao scimmione.
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Well said. Race is a sentiment? Are you quoting Mussolini? He said something along those lines. But race is a genetic reality.
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“The pure Arabs who migrated to Africa during the Radishun caliphate, led by Prophet Muhammed’s uncle Abu bakr..Are known as baggara Arabs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baggara”
“This link below shows the DNA of Pure Arabs who are found mostly in Sudan,Yemen,Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia,Sinai peninsula and Abkhazia.(The link you provide says nothing about Abkhazia retard.)”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)
“Among black Hejazi Arabs,Black bedouins of Sinai peninsula, black Sudanese Arabs e.g baggara Arabs and Misseriya Arabs.Black Abkhazians of balkans near black sea. e.t.c.”
You are a fucking liar, the populations you listed are heavily interbred with the local populations of Africa you absolute fucking pillock. That is beyond fucking obvious as they have Y chromosomal haplogroup not found anywhere else in Africa in significant amounts and said haplogroup originates outside of Africa, but it also so happens that their maternal DNA just so fucking happens to originate in Africa.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707606302
Also LOL one of the groups with the highest frequencies of Haplogroup J(J2 in their case.) are the Ingush.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingush_people
“J2 – 89% of Ingush have the highest reported frequency of J2 which is associated with the Fertile Crescent.”
“Also the first link I gave you Haplogroup J1, is not for Arabs but pure Jews..who are found mostly in Yemen and Ethiopia/Eritrea region. Also the Lemba Jews of Zimbabwe and South Africa have the highest frequencies of the Cohen modal haplotype.see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288118/”
Once again you spew lies with wild abandon, firstly Yemenite Jews are fairly pure but the Lemba are from it(Also the Ethiopian Jews in particular are as far from pure as can be.) the study you quoted says nothing about them having the most Cohen model haplotype it says they just detected its presence in significant amounts among the Lemba with some high frequencies in certain clans you shit spewing liar.
“Haplotype 34 (CMH) is present in varying frequencies in Ashkenazic Israelites, Sephardic Israelites, Yemeni, and Lemba but is absent from both the Bantu population and the Sena population. The CMH represents .088 of all Lemba Y chromosomes and .135 of Lemba UEP group 1 Y chromosomes; equivalent population (UEP group 1) proportions for Ashkenazic Israelites, Sephardic Israelites, and Yemeni are, respectively, .150 (.231), .100 (.161), and .020 (.027). The CMH is an important component in the sharing of Ashkenazic- and Sephardic-Israelite Y chromosomes. It is also the major component of Ashkenazic- and Sephardic-Israelite Y-chromosome sharing with the Lemba. The Yemeni-Hadramaut samples only have one such chromosome among them. Two striking features are the large proportion of haplotypes found in the Bantu that are also present in the Lemba (.448; table 3, bottom) and the even higher proportion of Y chromosomes (.740; table 3, top).”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
Also Yemenite Jews look like this dimwit.
Pretty far from Black
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Early depictions of ancient Arabs debunk Afrocentrics and their lunatic claim that Arabs were black. Pure unmixed Arabs since ancient times looked like that.
Assyrian depiction of Arabs, between 300 and 4000 years old
Another ancient depiction
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8012&stc=1&d=13021805734
Keep in mind these Arabs were grilled in the sun, deeply tanned due to overexposing to the sun and the pics are black and white. Therefore they look much darker than they really are.
Northern Ethiopians, Eritreans and Northern Sudanese have West Asian/Arabic admixture so they have historical and genetical links to Arabic people. Eritreans, especially the people of the tigrinia and tigre tribe have a higher West- Asian admixture than the Amhara people of Ethiopia. I know a very light skinned Eritrean man that made a genetic test and he was only about 30% negroid. Besides arabic traders, travellers and explorers migrated back to Yemen in the Hadhramaut, Tihama region from East Africa, South Asia and Indonesia with their East African or Indonesian wifes and children. The coastal of Yemen area is inhabited by fishermen; a many of whom are of African origin and live in African huts. The arabic slave trade brought also many black Africans to the Arabian Peninsula.
It’s pathetic that Afrocentric present arabized Africans or Arabo/ African mixed people as the proof that the original Arabs were black. They willfully ignore the fact that Arabs in their own historical writings, sources made clear that they are not black and that Arabic who didn’t own many African slaves and in lived in remote places are the very ones who are the very light skin Arabs. It reveals the selfhatred and low self-esteem of Afrocentrics that they turn the original Tuaregs and Arabs into negroes for feeling good about themselves despite the fact that Tuaregs and Arabs were brutal slave traders that enslaved million Subsaharan, black Africans. Afrocentrics claim everybody’s culture, from the Egyptians to the Chinese to the Olmecs, Aztecs, Native American to the Vikings to the Moors, Arabs, Assyrians. Everybody on Earth has been claimed.
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Nice pictures. However, its misleading when dealing with a mixed population. Tauregs do not get along. Therefore, the darker Tauregs would ally themselves with blacker tribes. The whiter with whiter tribes. Algeria has had Europeans there for eons, and the Tauregs did mix with them. For the oldest of all Berber tribes you give them far to little consideration. How can a 80% African Taureg not be considered Taureg? In America, did you know many of the first settlers are considered Native Americans now? I know this because in North Carolina, the lost colony is very well documented. They were not the only ones. Now in an African setting when religion from Arabia was unheard of, why do you think Tauregs would stay away from black Africans? Why do so many black Africans have Taureg DNA? Is it only because of slavery? When you see a white Taureg, you say he is fully Taureg, however other Amaziegh said the Taureg are not Berber by blood. Who is dillusional here? Since the Tauregs served the Arabs and gave women to them and tried to advance in ranks, of course they would deny African roots. My family is mulatto, I know all about that. Whats bad is full blooded whites trying to tell us about how mixed races work. Lol.
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Your argument has no merit. A white man does not get tang in the Sahara heat. He gets burned and develop’s skin cancertain and died. Before you go about lying to people with you refutable evidence, why don’t you see the struggle of the African albinos since they are no different from whiteach. And why didn’t you mention how the berberine tribe became part of Africa. Who were their ancestors? Where did the name Berner come from? It seems like you are still trying to recruit more members for the white race like you have not done enough already diving Africa over the last 600years. Who are the Ancestors of the so called white race? Whor was the first occupants of planet earth for the past 100 millions years? Before there was any white race, black in Africa were makin metal sculptures. For instance, A spherical object found in south Africa is believed to be 1.2 billions years old but to be conservant I’ve let’s say it’s 1000000 years old. Still 65000 years older than the so called white man. Oh and who educated the Italians, Greeks, and Romans? Stop creating more devising then we need in Africa. We have had enough. The Greek, Italians and Romans were proud of their black heritage and civilization. It’s you racists who have been trying to hide the facts since the early fifteen century. Oh have you read about the Prince of Flourence? My dear. You you still have more learning to do before teaching others about themselves.
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Jeezus. You have the IQ of a rabid chimpanzee. So blacks were engaged in metallurgy 1.2 billion years ago? Even dinosaurs didn’t exist yet, much less apes, much less the first hominids, much less modern humans. As for artifacts, they are only significant in relation to a certain people if those artifacts can be conclusively linked to those people. An individual oddity, out of place, would not be, especially a billion years before humans. Maybe next you’ll claim all life was created by black extraterrestrials from the planet Negross?
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Yea this guy is out of his mind.
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yes. southern italians are black. look at frank sinatra and antonin scalia. obvious negroids. all you have to do is google sicilian or neapolitan people and you’ll see.
here’s a typical calabrian man.
northern italians are very different in appearance and behavior. here’s atypical northern italian man named pewdiepie.
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Wow. This guy is so obsessed about this issue. What a weirdo. Who cares what dumb people say? He’s been frothing at the mouth for 20 years about this nonsense. I wonder what kind of psychological/personality issues he has. Too bad he isn’t on YouTube. It would be fun to psychoanalyze him. It seems fairly self evident he has some obsessive issues just from reading 1 article
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Yoink
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Pretty sure the author was discussing Italians who are genetically indigenous, not those who are Italian citizens via more recent migrations.
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By “recent migrations” you mean within the past 50 years or so, like MENA/African immigration, right?
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Basically, yes. Africans have technically been additions to the population, in small amounts prior ( example: Rome ), but not really contributing to the gene pool, based on what genetic studies I’ be read ( there’s plenty I haven’t). Technically and legally Italian is not what I think of when someone says “Italian”.
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i was reading this and laughing so much … I’m a white berber Moroccan
for this Black person who want to turn us black by force … do you know that because of our culture as Berbers (living as tribes) far away from each other … that our language and writing letters (TIFINAGH) is still present till today … and we still have some people who have no idea of who is rulling the country … because they are living in high mountains … no one knows about them … especially in Middle Atlas … and they are WHITE even with colored eyes … TAMAZIGHT which is our language is as ancient as Egyptian … and we still speak this language !!
dont speak about what you don’t know ?
do you have any idea about Moroccan history for example ? just to let you know … thare are some manuscript letters from MOUSSA BNOU NOUSSAIR to his subordinates who were ruling north africa from Damascus, during the Omayyad dynasty … this letters says ” send me some of berber women, as slaves, i heard they are white as snow and have beautiful shape and big eyes …” that’s honey when arabs colonised north africa !! actually they were the ones who left some dark skinned genetics in North Africa !! not the inverse !!
we know that subsaharian Africa has no history to tell !! but this doesn’t give you the right to try and steal our history !!
another proove for you !! do you know the Almoravid dynasty !! it was a Berber dynasty by yousef ibnou tachfin who weren’t black !! he ruled from Marrakech all the west of Africa !! and while conquering Andalusia !! he brought some slaves from curent Mali, Niger, Guinea.. and they were called the army of Bukhara … because they were black !!
so how it is possible to call them like that if we as Berbers were black ??
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