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Refuting Afrocentrism Part 2: Are Italians Black?

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Afrocentrists like to say things like ‘Italians were black’ and ‘the Romans were black’ and ‘The Moors were black’. All of this is based on shoddy evidence and uneducated people not knowing what they’re talking about.

In this article by an Afrocentrist, he claims that ‘Italians were black’ and talks about ‘dark-skinned Sicilians’.

Southern Italians were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” It was difficult, damn near impossible.

They were designated as “black” on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.

No idea what he’s talking about. In America at the time, Northern Italians said that Southern Italians were of a different race due to a slightly different look. Well, genetic testing shows similarities between the Northern and Southern Italians which I will get to later.

First off, it’s not only Sicilians who are ‘dark-skinned’. It’s all of Southern Europe.

UV rays

The map seen above is a map of UV rays that Europe and parts of North Africa get. Notice how North Africa and Southern Europe get the same amount of UV rays. That’s the cause of the difference in appearance between the North and South of Italy.

Mass lynchings happened to them often.

Mass lynchings happened to everyone often, not just blacks and Italians. Lynchings happened to anyone who raped, murdered, or did any other heinous crime. 27 percent of those lynched between the years of 1882-1968 were white. It wasn’t only a ‘black problem’.

One of the biggest mass lynchings happened to Italians in New Orleans when they thought that a Italian immigrant had killed a “white” police officer.

Right. It was the biggest mass lynching ever in the history of the US, 11 Italians got lynched. But, what he says about the cause being ‘killing a “white” police officer’ is unfounded. They got lynched for killing the police officer, not because they were of ‘another race’.

The very few Northern Italians that immigrated here perpetuated the myth that Southern Italians and Greeks were of a different race than them in order to save their own asses. This wasn’t true, and there are actually dark-skinned Italians all over Italy, not just in the South, as well as light-skinned Italians all over Italy.

But it is true. The differences between Northern and Southern Italians are embellished due to political reasons. There are dark-skinned Italians who live in Italy but are not genetically Italian/Greek. Yes, light-skinned ‘all over Italy’, those in the North are more Germanic, while the South has slight admixture  from North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa. Though, some from the South migrated to the North and vice versa. The amount of non-white admixture in Italians is less than that of the average for Europe:

Combined data from two large mtDNA studies provides an estimate of non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Italians. The first study sampled 411 Italians from all over the country and found five South Asian M and East Asian D sequences (1.2%) and eight sub-Saharan African L sequences (1.9%). The second study sampled 465 Sicilians and detected ten M sequences (2.2%) and three L sequences (0.65%). This makes a total of 3% non-white maternal admixture (1.3% Asian and 1.7% African), which is very low and typical for European populations, since Pliss et al. 2005, e.g., observed 1.8% Asian admixture in Poles and 1.2% African admixture in Germans. (Plaza et al. 2003; Romano et al. 2003)

Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians’ even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study’s sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study’s sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004). (Semino et al. 2004; Cruciani et al. 2004)

An analysis of 10 autosomal allele frequencies in Southern Europeans (including Italians, Sicilians and Sardinians) and various Middle Eastern/North African populations revealed a “line of sharp genetic change [that] runs from Gibraltar to Lebanon,” which has divided the Mediterranean into distinct northern and southern clusters since at least the Neolithic period. The authors conclude that “gene flow [across the sea] was more the exception than the rule,” attributing this result to “a joint product of initial geographic isolation and successive cultural divergence, leading to the origin of cultural barriers to population admixture.” (Simoni et al. 1999)

These studies show the opposite of what Afrocentrists, and even Nordicists say.

The reason I say very few is because over 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.)

Correct, and as seen above with those 3 studies, neither of them are ‘African’. My grandmother was born in Calabria. She looked like any other normal Italian woman you see on the street. These people take their ideas from movies, take genetics information from a movie like True Romance and attempt to say that all Italians are ‘black’ or ‘African’ or ‘Moorish’.

It was highly unlikely (damn near impossible) for a Southern Italian to own a slave because they were seen as the same as blacks, and at the time, they were the second (right behind blacks) most discriminated against group.

Too bad Italians started coming to America in the 1870s. What he states doesn’t even make sense because blacks owned slaves way disproportionately than whites. 4.8 percent of Southern whites, along with the North, being 1.3 percent of all whites in America in 1860 owned slaves. There are reports from New Orleans from their 1860 census that showed 3000 freed blacks owned slaves, accounting for 28 percent of the city’s population.

In 1860 Louisiana, at least 6 blacks owned more than 65 slaves, with the biggest number of slaves being 165 slaves who worked on a sugar plantation. So even if Italians were looked at as ‘black’, as you can see, blacks themselves had no problem owning slaves, and actually did it more than whites did right before slavery ended.

A lot of this confusion comes from the race of the Moors. The Moors are a Caucasoid Muslim group from North Africa. People hear ‘Africa’ and automatically think sub-Saharan Africa. Well, the Moors were Cacausoid for one. 2, as I have shown above, the amount of Moorish/Berber admixture is minute in Italians. 3rd, I will show now that the Berbers are not sub-Saharan African.

You have other Afrocentrist websites who talk about so-called ‘black Moors’. Well, the Moors were Berbers and Arabs, who are Caucasian.

Berbers live in groups scattered across NorthAfrica whose origins and genetic relationships with their neighbours are not well established. The first hypervariablesegment of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region was sequenced in a total of 155 individuals from three Tunisian Berber groups and compared to other North Africans. The mtDNA lineages found belong to a common set of mtDNA haplogroups already described in NorthAfrica. Besides the autochthonous North African U6 haplogroup, a group of L3 lineages characterized by the transition at position 16041 seems to be restricted to North Africans, suggesting that an expansion of this group of lineages took place around 10500 years ago in NorthAfrica, and spread to neighbouring populations. Principal components and the coordinate analyses show that some Berber groups (the Tuareg, the Mozabite, and the Chenini-Douiret) are outliers within the NorthAfrican genetic landscape. This outlier position is consistent with an isolation process followed by genetic drift in haplotypefrequencies, and with the high heterogeneity displayed by Berbers compared to Arab samples as shown in the AMOVA. Despite this Berber heterogeneity, no significant differences were found between Berber and Arab samples, suggesting that the Arabization was mainly a cultural process rather than a demographic replacement.
berbers
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Above are pictures of modern day Berbers.
Here is what Afrocentrists would like you to believe they looked like:
Moors3
Which has no basis in genetics or history. The Moors were Caucasoid and not African.
In conclusion, Italians aren’t black, nor were they ever looked at as black. Southern Europe getting the same UV rays as Northern Africa explains the slight appearance differences between Northern and Southern Italians as well as being greatly embellished due to political reasons. Genetic testing shows lower non-European admixture than average for Europe.
On the Moors: Genetic testing shows North African admixture, as well as Arabization being a cultural process and not a demographic replacement.
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  1. […] Not at all. I touched on this in my Refuting Afrocentrism: Are Italians Black? article. […]

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    • Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

      Yes black people created all the world for first Civilizations.What’s your point.Evidence is all over.

      Ancient Egypt.
      look at all these black African artifacts in Kemet,literally hundreds of thousands;
      http://pin.it/dwIxCAC

      Ancient Egyptian culture is black African culture, still practiced by Africans.
      http://pin.it/i7lkfna

      Below is images of black Egyptians today in modern Arab republic of Egypt, those that remained and did not migrate South like the others towards African greatlakes region, after Egypt was invaded by Persians,occupied by Greeks,invaded by Romans,Byzantines,Arabs(Rashidun, ummayads,Abbasid’s e.t.c),Turks, Mamelukes,French,English. e.t.c.
      http://pin.it/KSSD4qE

      Don’t even try to show me those modern fake statues and whitewashed ancient Egyptian paintings common in Eurocentric websites.Yes,they are fakes alright.. check the link below

      http://pin.it/qHO82L_

      And if you are still suffering from denialism which is a common Eurocentric disease. We DNA evidence proving ancient Egyptians were black Africans.
      1)BMJ. http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268
      2)JAMA. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/
      article.aspx?articleid=1
      3)DNA Tribes analysis1. http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-
      digest-2012-01-01
      4)DNA Tribes analysis 2. http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-
      digest-2013-02-01
      5) King tut killed by Benin sickle cell
      disease
      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19094-f
      6)Thuya gene http://dnaconsultants.com/thuya-gene
      I can go on and on,even archeology
      http://www.academia.edu/6346508/
      _co_authored_Cultural_convergence_in

      Also if you want in details I will show you the STR profile of Ramases III.
      Here are the Y- STR data for Rameses III and his son Pentawere E1b1a .Which I found in this BMJ
      study http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268
      Y- STR data places his YDNA haplotypes in E1b1a using Whit Athey’s Haplogroup predictor:
      his DYS repeats are listed as follows:
      DYS 19 19
      DYS 385a,b 20
      DYS 389I 13
      DYS 389II 33
      DYS 390 21
      DYS 391 8
      DYS 392 17
      DYS 393 8
      DYS 437 14
      DYS 438 10
      DYS 448 20
      DYS 456 13
      YGATAH4 13
      Plugging these numbers in Whit Athey’s
      predictor does indeed indicate that his haplogroup is E1b1a with 99.1% probability using equal priors.Also notice none of the scientists who carried out the
      research is black.So any claim of contamination is bullshit.Extra care was taken while extracting DNA
      from the mummies,it was taken directly from the Bone tissue
      http://www.academia.edu/2308336/
      Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_
      In case you don’t know, E1b1a is associated with Bantu migration..
      which explains the claims of most bantu speaking peoples(south eastern bantus) and southern nilotes(Kalenjin and Datooga) that they migrated from North Africa especially Libya and Egypt.Ofcourse
      others from KUSH.

      black Africans of Carthage,Mediterranean islands and Anatolia

      http://pin.it/GWfbbrK

      Original black African founders of Ancient Greece
      http://pin.it/kDBydzt

      Black Romans mostly Egyptians from Thebes,Aswan and Kushites of Merowe.Numidians ancestors of modern Chadic speakers. Libyans ancestors of modern Lebou/lebu of Senegambia and Fulani people.
      http://pin.it/xQR3pQA

      Don’t even get me started on Kushites,Mesopotamians,Sabaeans,Canaanites, sidonians, philistines..All these were black Africans and their descendants are scattered all over Africa.Semites like Hebrews and original Arabs (Ishmaelites and Midianites) Southern Arabs,the Qurayish, Hijaz Arabs,Medina,Mecca were black.

      modern jews are mostly Khazars mixed with southern Europeans,Mamlukes and Turks .Modern “Arabs” are mostly Turks,Mamlukes, persian, Andalusian Spanish Muslim converts.Ancient Hebrews and Arabs like those of Rashidun caliphate were black Semites.

      http://pin.it/5Qr_80w

      https://www.quora.com/Were-the-original-Arabs-of-Arabia-Black-African

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  2. Gian Luca says:

    Besides there are even blonde Southern Italians with blue eyes like the Football player Abate. He is from Napoli, Neaples http://latribunamadridista.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/abate.jpg
    Here also pics of Sardinians who are claimed to be the darkest Italians. The term dark is very relative. The Sardinians lived isolated with no foreign invasion.

    So blonde people can be found all over Italy.

    Most Italians in the South are not even olive- skinned but medium white. The swarthyness of Southern Italians is exaggerated even the admixture with Arabs, Northern African is very low. Furthermore Italians love to be sun tanned. They also love artificial tan. Therefore they look often darker than they actually are. Keep in mind that most admixture with non European people is recent.
    It’s crazy to claim that Italians were black they are 100% Caucasian and the Caucasian race is very diverse. For example I can spot a typical German, English or Scandinavian cause they have distinctly german, english or Scandinivian look despite the fact that they have similar germanic genes. Italians like all Europeans also Germans, French, Brits have regional different look. Afrocentrics since they fabricate many stuff they contradict often themselves when it suits they claim that ancient Romans and Greek were black otherwise they claim that they were white who have stolen everything from the black Egyptians. The point is that Afrocentrics are stealing the whole world history and turning everybody into negroes. They started with Ancient Egyptians were black now they are claiming that Arabs, Hebrews, ancient Chinese, Phoenecians, Mesopothamians, Native Americans, the Aztecs the Vikings, King James, Charles V etc were black. For example they claim that Assyrians or Arabs were black just because they had braided hair in ancient times: According to Afrocentric nutcase braided hair is a negroid trait, so if people had braided they were automatically black. What also Afro-Americans leave out that blonde blue eyed Irish were treated like dirt and lynched too despite being white. Among White Americans in the past there was in hierarchy where the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, the English, Scottish and Nothern Irish were on the top of society. Being Catholic was a disadvantage among predominantly Protestant settlers. Therefore the Irish and the Italians who were Roman Catholics were discriminated. What many people also fail to understand is pigmentation alone doesn’t determine race. It’s also stupid don lump all Africans that are diverse in one basket as one people. The internet is spammed with “I’m-in-a-straight-jacket-and-padded-room-because-I’m-clinically-insane” sort of Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism is founded on lies, halftruth, fiction and feel good myth. It is paranoia, denial, and filled with conspiracy theories.

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    • Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

      Sorry to break your Eurocentric bubble but indigenous North Africans are black.Pure Berbers are black http://pin.it/YJ23dwO ,the first Moor invasion of Europe was led by a black Berber called Tariq Ibn Ziyad .Neolithic North Africans were black Africans before the mixing with Romans,Phoenicians, Visigoths,mullato Moor migrants (descendants of the black Moors),Arabs,White Andalusian migrants from Spain,white slaves of BARBARY slave trade,Mamlukes slaves of Ottoman empire Turks, e.t.c..All Saharan cave paintings show black people inhabited the whole of North Africa.These white spaniards had converted to Islam,Where they were forced by the Christian reconquista armies to abandon their mansions, vineyards,and everything.they then migrated to Africa with the Moors.The myth that black people never existed in North Africa has to stop..Archeological evidence of black Africans in North Africa is everywhere.. Tassil plateau rock paintings show black people occupied the whole of North Africa. The Libyan tribes described by Herodotus are todays the Niger-Congo Speakers according to the customs described.The Afro-Asiatic Chadic speakers like Hausa descended from the Population of Carthage that mixed with the Niger-Congo Numidians.. Tamasheq,Tamahaq ( Tuareg languages) are the oldest Berber languages written in the TIFNAGH SCRIPTS. Eurocentric historians love to use the term “sub-saharan Africans” when describing black Africans, as if implying that Blacks are only found South of the Sahara..These pseudo-historians imagine the Sahara desert as a historic barrier preventing Blacks from accessing North Africa.Then I am like WHAT?? You thought indigenous north Africans were caucasians?.WRONG. Black Africans are the indigenous populations of North Africa,South Africa, Central Africa, West Africa,East Africa and African Islands.
      Even today their are Indigenous black Africans living North of Sahara MAGHREB (Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Western Sahara,Libya),Sudan and Egypt. http://pin.it/ZWOUQWZ .There are black Africans living within and South of Sahara SAHEL (Mali,Chad,Niger,Senegal,Gambia,Mauritania) .Shoot Blacks are the indigenous population of most of the world

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Your comment is approved. I will reply later.

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    • Denny says:

      @Gian Luca

      Excellent comment sir. Facts don’t matter of course, the nay sayers will simply find a photo of a gypsy, or of the ugliest old man, or of a summertime sun-tanned guy and claim it is “proof” of whatever their preordained theory is; and the theory cannot be wrong apparently.

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  3. Gian Luca says:

    It’s really annoying when uneducated black American ghetto scholars that never set foot in Europe, Africa, the Middle East or Asia want to lecture the whole world, Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners and Asian about their identity and history. The point is that Americans whether white or black look at everything outside America with the American cultural lense. Therefore they don’t understand European historical sources and culture and come to the wrong conclusions. The term “black” in the European context doesn’t always mean a Subsaharan negro like in America. The term”black” in European context can also mean swarthy, sun tanned or just having dark hair and eyes. For example the Russians call people from The Caucasus(Irony) black because they have dark hair and brown eyes yet they are white. The Irish call someone with brown till dark brown hair BLACK IRISH. The black Irish doesn’t refer to race but to hair and eye colour. For example in South America biracial people are called never black but mulutto while in America they are called black. So when Northern Italians calls Southern Italians black they are exaggerating and joking. There is no Nothern Italian that think that Southern Italians are black in the sense of being negroes. This woman is from South Italy, Sardinia that is darker than many Northern Italians: She is still very white and 100% Mediterranean Caucasian. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/67/79/8d/67798dcf5e24394530b3b50dc2e726ca.jpg

    Afrocentrics with their lies , identity theft and rewriting history in such aggressive manner are becoming just troll of the history world. They always misrepresent facts by twisting and distorting them. In their typical Afrocentric lying fashion they give false explainations and they take advantage of the fact that especially Americans are very ignorant and uneducated when it comes to history, other cultures and geography.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      The term “black” in the European context doesn’t always mean a Subsaharan negro like in America. The term”black” in European context can also mean swarthy, sun tanned or just having dark hair and eyes. For example the Russians call people from The Caucasus(Irony) black because they have dark hair and brown eyes yet they are white.

      I’ve heard of this. That doesn’t mean they’re discussing the actual ‘race’ of the individual in question. Those from the Caucus are, obviously, Cacuasioids.

      The Irish call someone with brown till dark brown hair BLACK IRISH. The black Irish doesn’t refer to race but to hair and eye colour.

      Interesting. Never heard this before.

      or example in South America biracial people are called never black but mulutto while in America they are called black.

      Because America recognizes the One Drop Rule, while they seem to go with a definition that makes more sense in Brazil. Though, there is evidence that race and skin color are starting to become blurred due to a lot of mixing.

      There is no Nothern Italian that think that Southern Italians are black in the sense of being negroes. This woman is from South Italy, Sardinia that is darker than many Northern Italians: She is still very white and 100% Mediterranean Caucasian.

      Yes Northern Italians do think that of Southern Italians. See the stupid move True Romance for that, saying that Southern Italians are ‘black’ or have both substantial black and Arab admixture, which is not true as you can see from the studies I have shown.

      Afrocentrics with their lies , identity theft and rewriting history in such aggressive manner are becoming just troll of the history world. They always misrepresent facts by twisting and distorting them. In their typical Afrocentric lying fashion they give false explainations and they take advantage of the fact that especially Americans are very ignorant and uneducated when it comes to history, other cultures and geography.

      Yep. They attempt to take advantage of the low-information average American by saying this, and because it “sounds right” to them, they will then believe it.

      Besides there are even blonde Southern Italians with blue eyes like the Football player Abate. He is from Napoli, Neaples

      Of course. Because there has been migration from both the North and the South in recent memory. Though there are some people who are from the area with those traits who didn’t come from the North.

      Here also pics of Sardinians who are claimed to be the darkest Italians. The term dark is very relative. The Sardinians lived isolated with no foreign invasion.

      My uncle is darker than that, my family is from Calabria. Sardinians are pretty white. They have a distinct genetic clade due to being isolated on the island. They are the remnants of the Phoenicians and speak a Phoenician language.

      The swarthyness of Southern Italians is exaggerated even the admixture with Arabs, Northern African is very low. Keep in mind that most admixture with non European people is recent.

      The swarthyness of those in the South is due to the climate of the area, which you can see they get the same UV rays as North Africa. Yes, it’s recent admixture, and it’s minute!! It’s actually LESS than that for the whole of Europe. So for all of those calling Italians non-European, you’d have to do the same for Poles (1.8 percent Asian), Germans (1.2 percent African), and Austrians (.8 percent African).

      The point is that Afrocentrics are stealing the whole world history and turning everybody into negroes. They started with Ancient Egyptians were black now they are claiming that Arabs, Hebrews, ancient Chinese, Phoenecians, Mesopothamians, Native Americans, the Aztecs the Vikings, King James, Charles V etc were black. For example they claim that Assyrians or Arabs were black just because they had braided hair in ancient times: According to Afrocentric nutcase braided hair is a negroid trait, so if people had braided they were automatically black.

      Hahaha yes. It’s ridiculous. I’m pretty sure that we’re up to the point now with them that they’ve claimed to be every great civilization in the past now. Yes, only Africans braid their hair, no one else has ever done it but them. The logic with that one is mind bogling.

      Among White Americans in the past there was in hierarchy where the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, the English, Scottish and Nothern Irish were on the top of society. Being Catholic was a disadvantage among predominantly Protestant settlers. Therefore the Irish and the Italians who were Roman Catholics were discriminated.

      Right. It didn’t have to do with race, but religion and other ideologies. Though, those Northern Italians did say that Southern Italians were of a ‘different race’ than they, which led to the discrimination of Southern Italians when the mass migration to America began in the 1870s.

      hat many people also fail to understand is pigmentation alone doesn’t determine race. It’s also stupid don lump all Africans that are diverse in one basket as one people. The internet is spammed with “I’m-in-a-straight-jacket-and-padded-room-because-I’m-clinically-insane” sort of Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism is founded on lies, halftruth, fiction and feel good myth. It is paranoia, denial, and filled with conspiracy theories.

      Exactly. Skin color, while a good proxy for ancestry, doesn’t tell the whole story. I’ve read many articles by Afrocentrists. It’s even more funny when you know the historical truth behind it and see them attempt to grasp at something that you know the truth of, but attempting to twist it to fit their own beliefs, their own stories, and their own preconceived notions they have in their heads of ‘them being kangs’.

      It’s a huge conspiracy theory to them, that the so-called evil white man took everything the Africans ever did and hid it from them or whatever ridiculous story they have.

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  4. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    Sorry to break your Eurocentric bubble but indigenous North Africans are black.Pure Berbers are black http://pin.it/YJ23dwO ,the first Moor invasion of Europe was led by a black Berber called Tariq Ibn Ziyad .Neolithic North Africans were black Africans before the mixing with Romans,Phoenicians, Visigoths,mullato Moor migrants (descendants of the black Moors),Arabs,White Andalusian migrants from Spain,white slaves of BARBARY slave trade,Mamlukes slaves of Ottoman empire Turks, e.t.c..All Saharan cave paintings show black people inhabited the whole of North Africa.These white spaniards had converted to Islam,Where they were forced by the Christian reconquista armies to abandon their mansions, vineyards,and everything.they then migrated to Africa with the Moors.The myth that black people never existed in North Africa has to stop..Archeological evidence of black Africans in North Africa is everywhere.. Tassil plateau rock paintings show black people occupied the whole of North Africa. The Libyan tribes described by Herodotus are todays the Niger-Congo Speakers according to the customs described.The Afro-Asiatic Chadic speakers like Hausa descended from the Population of Carthage that mixed with the Niger-Congo Numidians.. Tamasheq,Tamahaq ( Tuareg languages) are the oldest Berber languages written in the TIFNAGH SCRIPTS. Eurocentric historians love to use the term “sub-saharan Africans” when describing black Africans, as if implying that Blacks are only found South of the Sahara..These pseudo-historians imagine the Sahara desert as a historic barrier preventing Blacks from accessing North Africa.Then I am like WHAT?? You thought indigenous north Africans were caucasians?.WRONG. Black Africans are the indigenous populations of North Africa,South Africa, Central Africa, West Africa,East Africa and African Islands.
    Even today their are Indigenous black Africans living North of Sahara MAGHREB (Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Western Sahara,Libya),Sudan and Egypt. http://pin.it/ZWOUQWZ .There are black Africans living within and South of Sahara SAHEL (Mali,Chad,Niger,Senegal,Gambia,Mauritania) .Shoot Blacks are the indigenous population of most of the world.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Sorry to break your Eurocentric bubble

      This isn’t a Eurocentric article.

      but indigenous North Africans are black.Pure Berbers are black

      Berbers are Arabized Caucasoids. Maybe you missed the study I cited.

      the first Moor invasion of Europe was led by a black Berber called Tariq Ibn Ziyad

      Source that he was sub-Saharan African?

      The Romans depicted the North Africans as Caucasoids; not black Africans.

      Neolithic North Africans were black Africans before the mixing with Romans,Phoenicians, Visigoths,mullato Moor migrants (descendants of the black Moors),Arabs,White Andalusian migrants from Spain,white slaves of BARBARY slave trade,Mamlukes slaves of Ottoman empire Turks, e.t.c..All Saharan cave paintings show black people inhabited the whole of North Africa.

      Neolithic North Africans weren’t black. Neanderthals were in North Africa in pre-Neolithic times.

      we suggest that the North African pattern of Y-chromosomal variation is largely of Neolithic origin. Thus, we propose that the Neolithic transition in this part of the world was accompanied by demic diffusion of Afro-Asiatic–speaking pastoralists from the Middle East.

      Afro-Asiatic language meaning Arabic.

      The whole rest of your comment is Afrocentric garbage, as I’ve shown that the Berbers were Caucasian.

      Even today their are Indigenous black Africans living North of Sahara MAGHREB (Morrocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Western Sahara,Libya),Sudan and Egypt.

      And? Migrations to other countries is a thing you know (especially ones that are even slightly better economically).

      Shoot Blacks are the indigenous population of most of the world.

      What do you mean by this?

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  5. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    hahahahahahaha.. what a bunch of Eurocentric revisionism, wishful thinking,Pseudo-history.,
    Did you even visit my board on Pinterest http://pin.it/MqkxMM6 . Maybe then you may get a grip how Indigenous Berbers really looked like.But Ofcourse since you are suffering from DENIALISM.. you won’t. because your interest is not knowing the truth but protecting Eurocentric lies,otherwise your white supremacy fantasy will mean nothing.
    Are you disputing the clear rock art paintings at Algerian Tassil plateau showing BLACK AFRICANS in Neolithic green Sahara?..Or Tammanssaret TIFNAGH script written in Tuareg language? Not even one rock painting shows a Caucasian person, they were still in caucus mountains caves or they simply didn’t exist at this period according to this published study.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210056/White-Europeans-evolved-5-500-years-ago-food-habits-changed.html
    ..Do you know that the purest Berbers are Libyan Tuaregs? Even the TIFNAGH SCRIPT which was used all over north Africa was written in the Tuareg language Tamashek. This is according to the Berbers themselves. I have Tuareg friends from Algeria living here in Kenya..Do you know Berber Y haplogroup E-M81 is a descendant E3b which originated in East Africa where it has the most diversity. E-M81 sometimes referred to as the
    genetic “Berber marker”. Pereira et al. 2010
    reported the highest levels ever amongst Tuareg in two
    Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-
    Gorom , in Burkina Faso West Africa and 81.8% from Gosi in Mali West Africa.
    Do you know 90% of Tuaregs known in Almoravid times as LAMTUNA are black.The blackest and purest Tuaregs are Libyan,Algerian,Tunisian,and Niger,burkina faso and Northern Nigerian tuareg Berbers are black .The images you show me are Andalusian Amazigh,who are assimilated Berbers that came from Andalus,mostly Grenada in Spain and settled in Rabat Morocco, Algiers Algeria, Tunis Tunisia. Then they spread inwards during Abbasid,Iraqi-north ‘African Almohad,iranian-north African Fatimid caliphate.It is after the Almohad and Fatimid caliphates took control that the white Andalusian slaves overthrew their Black Berber masters slew them and chased morrocan,Algerian,Tuaregs South.This rebellion was led by white andulusian Berber known as IBN TUMART .Most Berbers from Morrocco, western Sahara (sahrawi),Mauritania and Northern Mali are Mullatoes 30%,abbasid Arabs 20% and Harratin 40%..soninke 10%..Harratin are descendants of a sedentary population of who have lived in the location since the Neolithic period when the Sahara was occupied by black skinned people..The Berbers of Almoravid dynasty were mostly Tuareg Lamtunas and Sanhaja also known as Zenaga,which gave the name to the country Senegal.. The Sahrawis are the back migration of these Moors After they were cast out of Spain after the Spanish RECONQUISTA.Their Muslim white slaves from Andalusia rebelled and sided with Turks,Iraqis,shiites and Mamelukes against them during the almohad caliphate. That’s how the sahrawi and Tuaregs of morroco were forced
    to flee South towards western Sahara which was Inhabitted by Draawi or draa black ancestors of modern haratin people related to Tuaregs lamta ancestors. Since haratin weren’t Muslims at this period they were enslaved on their own land by sahrawis.It was these mullato sahrawi Moors that destroyed ancient Ghana a campaign they considered Jihad against Kaffirs (non-muslims)
    This is why i disagree with your study..Neanderthals in Africa is a hoax created to distort North African history.
    Do you know that the Oldest MUMMY ever found in North Africa is the MUMMY of a black African boy known as TASHWINAT MUMMY or the BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uan_Muhuggiag
    Explain to me why then does these black indiginous North Africans do not have traces of neanderthal DNA?
    It is like coming to South Africa and using the white population of cape town as your sample population then concluding since the Boers of South Africa have neanderthals DNA there must have been neanderthals in South Africa.It is an error taking genetic samples of these white Berbers who are assimilated Berbers former enslaved whites from Andalusia then using their DNA as representative of all Berbers.Despite the fact pure Berbers the Tuareg are black. Other black Berbers such as the Zenaga,masmuda,Toubou,harratin,Siwa are usually deliberately excluded from these studies.Inorder to rewrite North African history. You know nothing about Berbers nor North African history.

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  6. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    hahahahahahaha.. what a bunch of Eurocentric revisionism, wishful thinking,Pseudo-history.,
    Did you even visit my board on Pinterest http://pin.it/MqkxMM6 . Maybe then you may get a grip how Indigenous Berbers really looked like.But Ofcourse since you are suffering from DENIALISM.. you won’t. because your interest is not knowing the truth but protecting Eurocentric lies,otherwise your white supremacy fantasy will mean nothing.
    Are you disputing the clear rock art paintings at Algerian Tassil plateau showing BLACK AFRICANS in Neolithic green Sahara?..Or Tammanssaret TIFNAGH script written in Tuareg language? Not even one rock painting shows a Caucasian person, they were still in caucus mountains caves or they simply didn’t exist at this period according to this published study.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210056/White-Europeans-evolved-5-500-years-ago-food-habits-changed.html
    ..Do you know that the purest Berbers are Libyan Tuaregs? Even the TIFNAGH SCRIPT which was used all over north Africa was written in the Tuareg language Tamashek. This is according to the Berbers themselves. I have Tuareg friends from Algeria living here in Kenya..Do you know Berber Y haplogroup E-M81 is a descendant E3b which originated in East Africa where it has the most diversity. E-M81 sometimes referred to as the genetic “Berber marker”. Pereira et al. 2010 reported the highest levels ever amongst Tuareg in two Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-Gorom , in Burkina Faso West Africa and 81.8% from Gosi in Mali West Africa.
    Do you know 90% of Tuaregs known in Almoravid times as LAMTUNA are black.The blackest and purest Tuaregs are Libyan,Algerian,Tunisian,and Niger,burkina faso and Northern Nigerian tuareg Berbers are black .The images you show me are Andalusian Amazigh,who are assimilated Berbers that came from Andalus,mostly Grenada in Spain and settled in Rabat Morocco, Algiers Algeria, Tunis Tunisia. Then they spread inwards during Abbasid,Iraqi-north ‘African Almohad,iranian-north African Fatimid caliphate.It is after the Almohad and Fatimid caliphates took control that the white Andalusian slaves overthrew their Black Berber masters slew them and chased the morrocan,Algerian,Tuaregs South.This rebellion was led by white andulusian Berber known as IBN TUMART .Most Berbers from Morrocco, western Sahara (sahrawi),Mauritania and Northern Mali are Mullatoes 30%,abbasid Arabs 20% and Harratin 40%..soninke 10%..Harratin are descendants of a sedentary population of who have lived in the location since the Neolithic period when the Sahara was occupied by black skinned people..The Berbers of Almoravid dynasty were mostly Tuareg Lamtunas and Sanhaja also known as Zenaga,which gave the name to the country Senegal.. The Sahrawis are the back migration of these Moors After they were cast out of Spain after the Spanish RECONQUISTA.Their Muslim white slaves from Andalusia rebelled and sided with Turks,Iraqis,shiites and Mamelukes against them during the almohad caliphate. That’s how the sahrawi and Tuaregs of morroco were forced
    to flee South towards western Sahara which was Inhabitted by Draawi or draa black ancestors of modern haratin people related to Tuaregs lamta ancestors. Since haratin weren’t Muslims at this period they were enslaved on their own land by sahrawis and Tuaregs.It was these mullato sahrawi together with Tuaregs,that destroyed ancient Ghana in a military campaign they considered Jihad against Kaffirs (non-muslims)
    This is why i disagree with your study..Neanderthals in Africa is a hoax created to distort North African history.
    Do you know that the Oldest MUMMY ever found in North Africa is the MUMMY of a black African boy known as TASHWINAT MUMMY or the BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uan_Muhuggiag
    Explain to me why then does these black indiginous North Africans do not have traces of neanderthal DNA?
    It is like coming to South Africa and using the white population of cape town as your sample population then concluding since the Boers of South Africa have neanderthals DNA there must have been neanderthals in South Africa.It is an error taking genetic samples of these white Berbers who are assimilated Berbers former enslaved whites from Andalusia then using their DNA as representative of all Berbers.Despite the fact pure Berbers the Tuareg are black. Other black Berbers such as the Zenaga,masmuda,Toubou,harratin,Siwa are usually deliberately excluded from these studies.Inorder to rewrite North African history. You know nothing about Berbers nor North African history.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Sure. You deserve an article all to yourself. Then we can discuss this further.

      There was nothing Eurocentric in my article; it was based off of the data. But what you’re spewing is Afrocentric garbage.

      I will make the post tonight or tomorrow. So many misconceptions.

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  7. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    You don’t understand do you? Not only were the Berbers black but also most of the Arabs of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphates that brought Islam to North Africa.
    http://savethetruearabs.blogspot.co.ke/?m=1

    http://asmariy.blogspot.co.ke/2011/05/was-prophet-muhammad-black-or-caucasian.html?m=1

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/161483
    

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Hmmm. Should I take stories into consideration, or genetics?

      In a recent publication, Bosch et al. (2001) reported on Y-chromosome variation in populations from northwestern (NW) Africa and the Iberian peninsula. They observed a high degree of genetic homogeneity among the NW African Y chromosomes of Moroccan Arabs, Moroccan Berbers, and Saharawis, leading the authors to hypothesize that “the Arabization and Islamization of NW Africa, starting during the 7th century ad, … [were] cultural phenomena without extensive genetic replacement” (p. 1023). H71 (Eu10) was found to be the second-most-frequent haplogroup in that area. Following the hypothesis of Semino et al. (2000), the authors suggested that this haplogroup had spread out from the Middle East with the Neolithic wave of advance. Our recent findings (Nebel et al. 2000, 2001), however, suggest that the majority of Eu10 chromosomes in NW Africa are due to recent gene flow caused by the migration of Arabian tribes in the first millennium of the Common Era (ce).

      The true Arabs are Caucasian. Genetics backs this up.

      Since you believe these stories, were there gods on Mount Olympus? Are we made of corn? Were Romulus and Remus really raised by wolves?

      Afrocentrism is a joke.

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    • Gian Luca says:

      Typical Afrocentric ghetto scholar and liar twisting and misrepresenting facts and quoting trashy afrocentric websites. The Pure black Bebers or Tuaregs are Subsharan Africans often former slaves. The Tuaregs have a complex caste system which incorporates people in slavery at the very bottom. For example in Niger or Mali those in slavery identify themselves as Tuareg and speak the Tuareg language, but their ancestry is generally linked to black African people enslaved by Tuareg raiders.

      At the top of Tuareg culture are the nobles and warriors there are all light skinned Tuaregs, below them are free men most of them mulattoes. The bottom rung is reserved for slaves all of them are pure black. The darker the lower the status among the Tuaregs. Hard cold facts no matter what fairy tales afrocentric tell. Fact is the pure original Tuaregs look these people

      http://image.slidesharecdn.com/thetuareg-bluemenofthesahara-150825124953-lva1-app6892/95/the-tuareg-blue-men-of-the-sahara-8-638.jpg?cb=1440519104

      http://cdn.modernghana.com/thumb.aspx?img=XGltYWdlc1xjb250ZW50XGFuc2FyX2RpbmVfcGxlZGdlZF90b19yZWplY3RfYWxsX2Zvcm1zX29mX2V4dHJlbWlzbV9fYnV0X2hhdmVfc3RpbGxfdG9fcHJvdmVfdGhleV9oYXZlX2N1dF9hbHFhZWRhX3RpZXMuanBnfDQ1MA==

      Many Tuaregs are on the mulatto or quadroon range. The original pure lightskinned Tuaregs are outnumbered by the mixed and black Tuaregs in many regions.

      What you do is like showing pure black Americans as a proof that Anglo Saxons were black or black French, Haitians to prove that the original French were black. Pure Arabs were and are not black. All black Arabs are arabized Subsaharan Africans that took over the arab identity, culture and language. Tuaregs, Berbers and Arabs enslaved millions of black Africans and they deported them to North Africa and the entire Middle East.

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  8. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    According to published genetic studies, like this one below,it is the black Berbers of West Africa,Burkina faso and Mali who have the highest frequency of the Berber haplogroup E-M81. Pereira et al. (2010) reported high levels among Tuareg in two
    Saharan populations – 77.8% near Gorom-
    Gorom , in Burkina Faso, and 81.8% from Gossi
    in Mali. see the study below;

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21312181/?i=2&from=/19476452/related

    E-M81 is the most common subclade of E-L19/V257 and found in the Maghreb,dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 42% in North Africa, decreasing in frequency from
    100% in some isolated Berber populations to approximately 10% to the east of this range in
    Egypt. Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite , Middle Atlas , Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic “Berber marker”.

    Also according to DNA pure Arabs are the black Arabs of Sudan,Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia, Yemen. and Black bedouins of Sinai peninsula.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267

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    • Gian Luca says:

      As a typical Afrocentric misleader you apply the one drop rule to label mixed people as black for misrepresenting genetic results. The Berbers, the Tuaregs in Mali, Niger and other regions are often mixed. The Lemba have some Yemeni Jewish blood because the Hadramauti traders who travelled to the Coast of Africa settle down and have mixed with local African Bantu females. Lemba people are native Bantus that have from outside, from the paternally side some Arabic Yemeni input. Besides their admixture isn’t ancient at all. You misrepresent, twist facts plus you mix half truth with pure lies. Why Afrocentrics have the sick need to turn non- black people into blacks is beyond me. Even the most retarted Eurocentric wouldn’t claim that original Chinese, Arabs, Moors, t Aztecs, Native Americans, Nubians, the Olmec or Australian Aborigenes were white Europeans.

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  9. Prof Mwafrika Mkenya says:

    The pure Arabs who migrated to Africa during the Radishun caliphate, led by Prophet Muhammed’s uncle Abu bakr..Are known as baggara Arabs

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baggara

    Also the first link I gave you Haplogroup J1, is not for Arabs but pure Jews..who are found mostly in Yemen and Ethiopia/Eritrea region.Also the Lemba Jews of Zimbabwe and South Africa have the highest frequencies of the Cohen modal haplotype.see

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288118/

    This link below shows the DNA of Pure Arabs who are found mostly in Sudan,Yemen,Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia,Sinai peninsula and Abkhazia.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)

    Among black Hejazi Arabs,Black bedouins of Sinai peninsula, black Sudanese Arabs e.g baggara Arabs and Misseriya Arabs.Black Abkhazians of balkans near black sea. e.t.c.

    About black Abkhazians, see here;

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-moors-of-abkhazia/

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    • Cris says:

      Respect the white man you useless liar. Italians are 100% white, so Sicilians. It doesn’t matter the negligible admixture of the fews with non-european people (anyway not blacks), Italy is the cradle of Western culture so we are white by definition. Race is a sentiment first of all, and every italian feels white. Ciao scimmione.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Well said. Race is a sentiment? Are you quoting Mussolini? He said something along those lines. But race is a genetic reality.

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  10. Gian Luca says:

    Early depictions of ancient Arabs debunk Afrocentrics and their lunatic claim that Arabs were black. Pure unmixed Arabs since ancient times looked like that.

    Assyrian depiction of Arabs, between 300 and 4000 years old

    Another ancient depiction


    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8012&stc=1&d=13021805734

    Keep in mind these Arabs were grilled in the sun, deeply tanned due to overexposing to the sun and the pics are black and white. Therefore they look much darker than they really are.

    Northern Ethiopians, Eritreans and Northern Sudanese have West Asian/Arabic admixture so they have historical and genetical links to Arabic people. Eritreans, especially the people of the tigrinia and tigre tribe have a higher West- Asian admixture than the Amhara people of Ethiopia. I know a very light skinned Eritrean man that made a genetic test and he was only about 30% negroid. Besides arabic traders, travellers and explorers migrated back to Yemen in the Hadhramaut, Tihama region from East Africa, South Asia and Indonesia with their East African or Indonesian wifes and children. The coastal of Yemen area is inhabited by fishermen; a many of whom are of African origin and live in African huts. The arabic slave trade brought also many black Africans to the Arabian Peninsula.

    It’s pathetic that Afrocentric present arabized Africans or Arabo/ African mixed people as the proof that the original Arabs were black. They willfully ignore the fact that Arabs in their own historical writings, sources made clear that they are not black and that Arabic who didn’t own many African slaves and in lived in remote places are the very ones who are the very light skin Arabs. It reveals the selfhatred and low self-esteem of Afrocentrics that they turn the original Tuaregs and Arabs into negroes for feeling good about themselves despite the fact that Tuaregs and Arabs were brutal slave traders that enslaved million Subsaharan, black Africans. Afrocentrics claim everybody’s culture, from the Egyptians to the Chinese to the Olmecs, Aztecs, Native American to the Vikings to the Moors, Arabs, Assyrians. Everybody on Earth has been claimed.

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