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JP Rushton

Richard Lynn

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Racial differences in sports also prove HBD. The differences are extremely clear to the naked eye, but there are many physiological differences between races that lead to disparities of one being over-represented over another race. I will touch on the three main races (Europeans, Asians and Africans), what they excel in and what they are below average in. Sports, as does academic achievement, prove HBD right. Sports prove innate athletic differences, whereas academic achievement proves innate differences in the brain, as well as intelligence. This is on average of course.

The word ‘sport’ is defined as an athletic activity requiring skill or physical ability, often of competitive nature. The sports I will touch on are baseball, basketball, soccer, football, weightlifting, bodybuilding, chess, gaming and hockey.

Baseball is predominantly white (MLB’s 2015 Racial/Gender Report Card), at 58.8 percent white (down from 60.9 in 2014), 8.3 percent black (up from 8.2 percent in 2014), 29.3 percent ‘Latino’ (up from 28.4 percent in 2014), and 1.2 percent Asian (down from 2 percent in 2014). Baseball is actually one of the only sports in America to be close enough to the ethnic mix of the country. According to the SABR (Society for American Baseball Research), the highest rate for black players in the MLB was in 1981 at 18.7 percent.

Before getting in to why the disparity is that large, I need to touch on ‘Latinos’ in baseball.

According to MLB.com, in 2014, 224 out of 853  players (750 active 25-man roster players and 103 disabled or restricted Major League players) were foreign-born, accounting for 26.3 percent of the players that year. Highest is the Dominican Republic with 83 players, followed by Venezuela with 59 players, Cuba with 19, Puerto Rico with 11, Mexico with 9, Colombia with 4, Panama with 4 and Nicaragua with 3. That makes 192 ‘Latino’ baseball players.

This article talks about how ‘black Latinos’ don’t get treated as black, but as ‘Latino’, when they are racially black (I will show some notable examples below). People like to think that it’s its own separate racial category when that’s not true at all.

Using 2014’s numbers, 520 players were white, 72 were black, 243 were ‘Latinos’, and 18 were Asians. We know that all ‘Latinos’ aren’t black, so using 2014’s numbers by country I will try to estimate the number of black ‘Latino’ players to try to get a real look at the racial breakdown in the MLB.

For brevity, I will just add each country up as what the majority mix of that particular country is. So, adding to the 72 black players I will add 83 from D.R., Cuba with 19, I’ll split P.R. with 5. Venezuela has a mix of blacks, whites and mulattoes, so I will just say 25 percent are black. That’s 15. Adding those up you get 194 black players. Keep in mind, a conservative estimate. So that makes the MLB about 23 percent black (this is only for those from foreign-born countries, I may make a comprehensive list one day if I feel up to it about this).

(I will just group mestizos as white for brevity to only have 3 categories.) So with that being said, 641 white players, 194 black players, and 18 Asian players. So with my guesstimate, baseball is 75 percent white, 23 percent black and 2 percent Asian in 2014.

Why the huge disparity? Simple. Baseball, at its core, is about reaction time. To quote Rushton and Jensen from their magnum opus Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability (pg 244):

Reaction time is one of the simplest culture-free cognitive measures. Most reaction time tasks are so easy that 9- to 12-year-old children can perform them in less than 1 s. But even on these very simple tests, children with higher IQ scores perform faster than do children with lower scores, perhaps because reaction time measures the neurophysiological efficiency of the brain’s capacity to process information accurately—the same ability measured by intelligence tests (Deary, 2000; Jensen, 1998b). Children are not trained to perform well on reaction time tasks (as they are on certain paper-and-pencil tests), so the advantage of those with higher IQ scores on these tasks cannot arise from practice, familiarity, education, or training.

And from pg 245:

The same pattern of average scores on these and other reaction time tasks (i.e., East Asians faster than Whites faster than Blacks) is found within the United States. Jensen (1993) and Jensen and Whang (1994) examined the time taken by over 400 schoolchildren ages 9 to 12 years old in California to retrieve overlearned addition, subtraction, or multiplication of single digit numbers (from 1 to 9) from long-term memory. All of the children had perfect scores on paper-andpencil tests of this knowledge, which was then reassessed using the Math Verification Test. The response times significantly correlated (negatively) with Raven Matrices scores, whereas movement times have a near-zero correlation. The average reaction times for the three racial groups differ significantly (see Figure 2). They cannot be explained by the groups’ differences in motivation because the East Asian children averaged a shorter response time but a longer movement time than did the Black children.

Those with higher IQs average faster times on the simple RT, choice RT and odd-man-out RT. They follow Rushton’s Rule of Three, in which blacks will be at the bottom, whites in the middle and Asians at the top.

In this articleMind Games: What Makes a Great Baseball Player Great, they say that studies done by Columbia University on Babe Ruth while he was playing showed that he could react to visual and sound cues better than the normal population, as well as having better hand-eye coordination than 98.8 percent of the population. A great proportion of MLB players have 20/20 vision or better. Within higher-skilled players, even then there are huge differences in reaction time (IQ differences). Hitters also have to predict where the ball will be, all within a 4/10ths of a second. This infographic explains it well. So you need an extremely high reaction time to hit a fastball coming at you at 95 miles per hour. All of this proves that, on average, baseball players have high IQs because of a lot of the things associated with baseball, also correlate highly with IQ.

Personality also is a factor. According to the previously linked article, with the example of Darryl Strawberry and Billy Beane, Strawberry handled the pressure well, while Beane folded under pressure. Seems this has to do with extroversion and introversion. Strawberry says that self-confidence and mental toughness come in to play because they fail 66 percent of the time they come up to hit.

Athletic ability is also important. The top two record holders for stolen bases in the MLB are blacks. Has to do with fast twitch muscle fibers (muscle fibers that exert force faster, but tire out more quickly than slow twitch). So you can see how natural fast twitch muscle fibers help blacks on the field, as well as the base pads, in baseball.

To touch on a previous point, even in the upper end of hitters (the elite ones), there are still marked differences in reaction time (IQ). That makes sense, seeing as I alluded to before that it takes 4/10ths of a second for a 95 MPH fastball to reach home plate.

Why the low rate for Asians? Well, natural athletic ability for one. The second reason is myopia. Those with myopia do have a higher IQ on average (as the correlation is .25), but those that are nearsighted are often late in their reactions to higher speed pitches.  For something anecdotal, I’ve noticed that most Asians are pitchers, either starters of relievers. This article talks about the critical vision skills that pitchers need, and all though Asians are only 2 percent of the MLB, their high visio-spatial ability, along with high reaction times, they are able to succeed as good pitchers in the MLB.

Outfielders are generally fast and quick. Blacks round out a good amount of outfielders, whereas whites round out catcher, as well as a majority of the infield, due to a lot of line-drive hits coming at them, which the player needs high reaction times to be able to catch/field the ball.

Sports prove HBD, just like academic/monetary achievement. Intelligence, as well as physical differences, are pretty much innate. They show in all facets of life. Even though they are obvious to most, no one ever speaks out on it.

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15 Comments

  1. […] In my first post in this series, I talked about HBD and Baseball. With the Super Bowl being tomorrow, I figured I’d talk about HBD and how it fits in to football. […]

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  2. Chinedu says:

    Blacks suck at basketball if you go by the performance of black Africans.

    Black kids aren’t playing baseball any more and that’s the reason there are fewer blacks in the sports.

    HDB is a farce.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Blacks suck at basketball if you go by the performance of black Africans.

      Citation needed. How do you objectively measure this? The amount of African basketball players in comparison to the amount of African American basketball players? Please provide the relevant data to back your claim.

      Black kids aren’t playing baseball any more and that’s the reason there are fewer blacks in the sports.

      Why are they not playing baseball any more? Even then, in the late 80s the largest percentage of black Americans in baseball was only 19 percent. Blacks are better at football and basketball than baseball.

      HDB is a farce.

      Citation needed. You’re basically saying that HBD is a farce based on one of my posts? Going to take much more than that to definitively say that HBD is a farce.

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    • Chinedu says:

      Citation needed? LOL. Every African country fields an international team (the best basketball players in Africa) and they routinely get clobbered in international competition. In the last Olympics the Nigerian team lost by 83 points to the U.S. These are skilled teams. Many of them are African champions. But at the highest level, they just don’t measure up.

      Why aren’t black kids playing baseball? They just aren’t. The only black kids playing are Latin American blacks (who are also black, in case you didn’t know that). There have been entire exposes written about black American kids losing all interest in baseball. There have been television documentaries done about it. Simply go to Google and type in BLACK KIDS BASEBALL.

      I said HBD is a farce based on your faulty assumption, which is a classic case of trying to affix a cherrypicked correlation to a phenomenon (this is what HBDers do all the time). HBD is a cult rooted in myopia. You have a set of principles and whenever you find anything that might lend credence to your ideas, you grasp it while ignoring or dismissing all other potential variables.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Every African country fields an international team (the best basketball players in Africa) and they routinely get clobbered in international competition. In the last Olympics the Nigerian team lost by 83 points to the U.S. These are skilled teams. Many of them are African champions. But at the highest level, they just don’t measure up.

      1) That’s one singular example. 2) American blacks are clearly built to play basketball. Limb length, muscle fiber typing, fat-free body mass, etc. That’s why they’re overrepresented so much in the NBA. It’s genetic. You can’t really ‘train’ a better basketball player if the innate skill isn’t there in the first place.

      Hell here is an article saying that Africans are the basketball stars of tomorrow.

      Why aren’t black kids playing baseball? They just aren’t. The only black kids playing are Latin American blacks (who are also black, in case you didn’t know that). There have been entire exposes written about black American kids losing all interest in baseball. There have been television documentaries done about it. Simply go to Google and type in BLACK KIDS BASEBALL.

      If you’d have read my article, you’d have seen that I included in, a rough estimate which I think is fair, of the amount of black ‘Latinos’. I come to 23 percent, which is higher than their share of the population; but American blacks are lower at 8 percent.

      Let’s see. There are fewer blacks interested in baseball and fewer black stars and big names. Whose fault is that? Their own. They gravitate towards basketball and football since baseball is too slow-paced. Since blacks also represent a huge majority of prison inmates, 37 percent, that’s another reason why this “begins at the sandlot level”. Because their fathers are always getting locked up.

      I said HBD is a farce based on your faulty assumption, which is a classic case of trying to affix a cherrypicked correlation to a phenomenon (this is what HBDers do all the time). HBD is a cult rooted in myopia. You have a set of principles and whenever you find anything that might lend credence to your ideas, you grasp it while ignoring or dismissing all other potential variables.

      My assumptions are not faulty nor are they cherry-picked. Blacks have a slower average reaction time, baseball at its core is about reaction time. What does that translate over to? You brought me one example of the U.S. Olympic team beating the best team from Nigeria. One example doesn’t prove a trend. Moreover, I’d like to see how the Nigerian team would fare against the best white players. Your criticism is wrong.

      Academic achievement proves HDB? You sure you want to go with that one? You do realize that first and second generation Africans are the highest academic achievers in the United States and among the highest achievers in the U.K. In fact in the UK it’s white pupils that are increasingly being left behind.

      Yes, I’m 100 percent sure I want to go with that one. Great job citing outliers. Sure African immigrants have a higher educational attainment than white Americans… Only the best come here! This is a case of super-selection.

      Funny you bring up the UK’s white and black children. So you’re telling me that black children outscore white children in the UK? Citation needed. The same can be said here as I said above, this is a case of super-selection, only the best of the best emigrate.

      In terms of reaction time the positions that require the quickest thinking and quickest reflexes are shortstop and second baseman. Do yourself a favor and take a look at any list of the all-time greatest shortstops and second baseman. You’ll find that black players are disproportionately represented at both positions.

      What criteria? Hitting or fielding? Popular opinion?

      I know the best shortstop ever is Derek Jeter. Does it automatically make blacks as a whole dominant at that position or even as a whole in the sport? What statistic would you like this to be settled with? There are some pretty extensive stats out there for the MLB.

      Going by this Bleacher Report list on best shortstops of all time, it seems the best at SS are white.

      Here are the best 2nd basemen of all time from Bleacher Report.

      It’s not disproportionate.

      HBD is evident in everyday life. Most noticeably in sports. It’s also seen in wealth attainment among other highly heritable variables. IQ is one of the best predictors for scholastic achievement scores. Just because you can cite a few selected populations who were lucky enough to get out of Africa doesn’t mean that HBD is refuted.

      THAT is cherry-picking.

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  3. Chinedu says:

    Academic achievement proves HDB? You sure you want to go with that one? You do realize that first and second generation Africans are the highest academic achievers in the United States and among the highest achievers in the U.K. In fact in the UK it’s white pupils that are increasingly being left behind.

    HBD. LOL.

    [ RaceRealist: My reply is above in other thread]

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  4. Chinedu says:

    In terms of reaction time the positions that require the quickest thinking and quickest reflexes are shortstop and second baseman. Do yourself a favor and take a look at any list of the all-time greatest shortstops and second baseman. You’ll find that black players are disproportionately represented at both positions.

    HBD is a joke.

    [ RaceRealist: My reply is above in other thread]

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  5. Chinedu says:

    That’s one singular example.

    Only in the wacky world of HBD is the the entire continent of Africa a singular example.

    American blacks are clearly built to play basketball. Limb length, muscle fiber typing, fat-free body mass, etc.

    LOL. This is laughable pseudoscience. In fact please cite a credible scientist that concurs with you. There are no discrete categories among humanity. There’s nothing that black Americans have that non-black Americans don’t have. Socio-economics is what drives sporting excellence. Growing up with an ambition to play in the NBA is actually not a smart path for anyone to take. Nobody with a range of easier and more attainable options will take that path. Eastern Europe produces great basketball players for the very same reason: poverty and constricted choices in terms of upward social mobility. Moreover, if “blacks were built for basketball” the purest blacks in the world, Africans, would dominate the sport.

    All sorts of natural experiments abound, yet you guys always cling to theories that are unproven and unscientific. Take boxing. Eastern Europeans are boxing champions. Conversely, there hasn’t been a white American boxing champion in decades.

    Hell here is an article saying that Africans are the basketball stars of tomorrow.

    So? One article ruminating on a possible future. We have to deal with the here and now, not the future. If basketball were as popular in Africa as soccer, then maybe. African countries field worldclass soccer teams. So it’s not a question of lack of resources. It takes more resources to organize soccer than basketball. The key issues are culture and environment, not phenotype or genetics.

    Let’s see. There are fewer blacks interested in baseball and fewer black stars and big names. Whose fault is that? Their own. They gravitate towards basketball and football since baseball is too slow-paced.

    But initially you said the underrepresentation of blacks in baseball was due to genetic factors. I proved you wrong with hard facts, including the fact that blacks have been disproportionately represented in “high reaction time” positions, and you resort to talking inconsequential gibberish replete with the worn talking points and catch phrases you people are famous for.

    Yes, I’m 100 percent sure I want to go with that one. Great job citing outliers. Sure African immigrants have a higher educational attainment than white Americans… Only the best come here! This is a case of super-selection

    Citation needed. Prove that the immigration process, the visa lottery and relatives helping family member immigrate somehow selects for intelligence. Besides, American and UK born Africans are not immigrants and have not been selected for anything. They’re even more successful then their immigrant parents.

    What criteria? Hitting or fielding? Popular opinion?

    I know the best shortstop ever is Derek Jeter. Does it automatically make blacks as a whole dominant at that position or even as a whole in the sport? What statistic would you like this to be settled with? There are some pretty extensive stats out there for the MLB.

    Given your lack of knowledge about baseball, it might be best for you to desist from using the sport in your HBD theorizing.

    Hitting is as much a function of luck as it is a function of skill and natural ability. A blistering line drive hit at the wrong place will result in an out. A home run in one ball park is a fly ball in another. It even depends on how the wind is blowing. Foul balls in one park are hits or even home runs in others, etc. So luck plays a major part. To gauge true reaction time, we have to look at defense. The positions that see the most action, requiring the quickest thinking and quickest reflexes are 2nd base and shortstop. Talk to any baseball aficionado or true fan and they will tell you. In determining how blacks have performed at these positions, we have to look at the years post Jackie Robinson. We have no way of going back to get credible information from the Negro Leagues. Although many baseball purists claim that some of the best players to ever play played in the Negro Leagues. Now, even after the color line was broken, there were still quotas placed on black players in MLB. It wasn’t really until the 70’s that black players were allowed on teams in any numbers other than a token few playerss. If you look at the list of the greatest shortstops and 2nd basemen, blacks are greatly overrepresented, particular in light of what I wrote above. And by the way, Ozzie Smith is universally acknowledged as the greatest shortstop ever.

    HBD proponents are hardline ideologues. They’re like members of a cult. I’ve picked apart every argument you tried to make, but of course you will never concede to being wrong. And it’s for that reason you people will remain a fringe within a fringe of mostly Internet keyboard warriors. The real world doesn’t care about your theories. If you say that blacks are intellectually less endowed, most people will think, “gee, I know such and such black person and he’s smarter than me.” They don’t care about your “averages” blah blah. Smart people understand how intelligence works. And you have no evidentiary proof of any averages. You may cite IQ scores but scores are malleable and fluctuate. And most of the testing done in Africa and elsewhere have been cited as fraudulent. So you don’t really have anything, do you?

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    • RaceRealist says:

      Only in the wacky world of HBD is the entire continent of Africa a singular example.

      I mean that’s one singular example, one event. That does not show a trend. Moreover, American blacks compared to American whites is no contest. Blacks are 74.4 percent black and you’re going to say that genetics means nothing?

      LOL. This is laughable pseudoscience. In fact please cite a credible scientist that concurs with you.

      Black and white men differ significantly on some skeletal characteristics which these differences have implications for osteoporosis (blacks have stronger bones than whites) and the study of human body composition.

      Gerace et al (2005)

      Blacks and whites differ on 37 different musculoskeletal traits, with a correlation of .92! They also differ in average brain size.

      Rushton and Rushton (2001)

      Blacks have 2.5 to 5 percent higher testosterone than whites.

      Richard et al (2014)

      Rushton goes through a whole list of musculoskeletal differences along with many other variables in Race, Evolution, and Behavior.

      It’s not pseudoscience. Are you to tell me that there are no morphological and intellect differences between two genetically isolated populations for tens of thousands of years?

      There’s nothing that black Americans have that non-black Americans don’t have. Socio-economics is what drives sporting excellence. Growing up with an ambition to play in the NBA is actually not a smart path for anyone to take. Nobody with a range of easier and more attainable options will take that path.

      What? I listed a few above, there are a lot more. You need the innate skill (genetics) to be able to be a professional and who are more likely to be professionals? Blacks. 74.4 percent of the NBA, 13 percent of the U.S. population.

      Eastern Europe produces great basketball players for the very same reason: poverty and constricted choices in terms of upward social mobility. Moreover, if “blacks were built for basketball” the purest blacks in the world, Africans, would dominate the sport.

      Blacks ARE built for it. Musculoskeletal differences are proof. Someone with less innate skill will not become better than someone with more innate skill with the same amount of practice. Some people are athletic; others are not. Blacks happen to be more athletic than whites on average.

      So how many NBA stars does Appalachia have?

      All sorts of natural experiments abound, yet you guys always cling to theories that are unproven and unscientific. Take boxing. Eastern Europeans are boxing champions. Conversely, there hasn’t been a white American boxing champion in decades.

      Saying “this and that proves my point” doesn’t mean anything. Yes, tons of natural experiments. Such as scholastic achievement test scores and sports to name some. Is it supposed to mean anything that there hasn’t been a white boxing champion in decades? A white man has won the World’s Strongest Man competition every year since 1974. Can you “train” to become better in that competition? Eastern Europeans are also beast powerlifters, but that must also be down to socioeconomics status.

      So? One article ruminating on a possible future. We have to deal with the here and now, not the future. If basketball were as popular in Africa as soccer, then maybe. African countries field worldclass soccer teams. So it’s not a question of lack of resources. It takes more resources to organize soccer than basketball. The key issues are culture and environment, not phenotype or genetics.

      Why do Africans have world-class soccer teams? Genetics. Why are black Americans extremely over represented in the NBA? Genetics. Sure we have to deal with the here and now. Just because a bunch of black Americans decimated a team full of Nigerians doesn’t mean anything. As I said earlier, it is one event.

      But initially you said the underrepresentation of blacks in baseball was due to genetic factors. I proved you wrong with hard facts, including the fact that blacks have been disproportionately represented in “high reaction time” positions, and you resort to talking inconsequential gibberish replete with the worn talking points and catch phrases you people are famous for.

      I never claimed that genetic factors didn’t have anything to do after I stated environmental factors (even then fathers not being there is genetic since crime has a genetic component. High test fathers leave their children; low test fathers stay). How did you prove they were over-represented in high reaction time positions? Most of the best are white; not black.

      Citation needed. Prove that the immigration process, the visa lottery and relatives helping family member immigrate somehow selects for intelligence. Besides, American and UK born Africans are not immigrants and have not been selected for anything. They’re even more successful then their immigrant parents.

      I did above with the super-selection link.

      Do you think the poor have the means to emigrate? This argument has been settled already. Chanda Chisala tried to negate it, but he didn’t. Super-selection is the cause for this. The fact that people match by IQ also shows this. How are they more successful than their parents? Sure you may have an anomaly here or there that the children are more intelligent and thus achieve more success, but regression to the mean occurs where the child falls closer to the racial average. The black-white IQ gap is only 8 points in the UK, which is due to as I keep saying, super-selection.

      Given your lack of knowledge about baseball, it might be best for you to desist from using the sport in your HBD theorizing.

      I watch baseball religiously. Derek Jeter is the best defensive shortstop of all time.

      Hitting is as much a function of luck as it is a function of skill and natural ability. A blistering line drive hit at the wrong place will result in an out. A home run in one ball park is a fly ball in another. It even depends on how the wind is blowing. Foul balls in one park are hits or even home runs in others, etc. So luck plays a major part.

      Better batters come to the plate more often than worse batters. You are correct, but there is undeniable skill in hitting a baseball. See my Babe Ruth example in the article.

      o gauge true reaction time, we have to look at defense. The positions that see the most action, requiring the quickest thinking and quickest reflexes are 2nd base and shortstop. Talk to any baseball aficionado or true fan and they will tell you. In determining how blacks have performed at these positions, we have to look at the years post Jackie Robinson.

      I agree.

      If you look at the list of the greatest shortstops and 2nd basemen, blacks are greatly overrepresented, particular in light of what I wrote above. And by the way, Ozzie Smith is universally acknowledged as the greatest shortstop ever.

      No, they are not. I showed you in my previous comment. Also, in my opinion, Jeter is the best SS ever. It’s really a toss-up between Wagner, Rodriguez and Jeter though.

      HBD proponents are hardline ideologues. They’re like members of a cult. I’ve picked apart every argument you tried to make, but of course you will never concede to being wrong.

      I have responded to all of your points.

      And it’s for that reason you people will remain a fringe within a fringe of mostly Internet keyboard warriors. The real world doesn’t care about your theories. If you say that blacks are intellectually less endowed, most people will think, “gee, I know such and such black person and he’s smarter than me.” They don’t care about your “averages” blah blah. Smart people understand how intelligence works. And you have no evidentiary proof of any averages. You may cite IQ scores but scores are malleable and fluctuate. And most of the testing done in Africa and elsewhere have been cited as fraudulent. So you don’t really have anything, do you?

      The real world doesn’t have to care about this. But they should know that by denying human nature and human diversity that society will continue its decay. Someone knowing an intelligent black man doesn’t negate the fact that on average blacks have an IQ of 85 in America. How does intelligence work then if I don’t understand it? No evidentiary proof of averages? How about the past 100 years of IQ testing. Scores are malleable in childhood, but at age 18 heritability comes into play with 80 to 90 percent of the variance between populations as well as the black-white IQ gap being attributed to genetic factors. No the testing done in Africa is not fraudulent. Lynn used individuals in Africa who were diseased and the like to get an actual representative sample of the population.

      Human genetic variation exists. Human intelligence differences exist. Huamn musculoskeletal differences exist. Race exists.

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  6. Chinedu says:

    I mean that’s one singular example, one event. That does not show a trend. Moreover, American blacks compared to American whites is no contest. Blacks are 74.4 percent black and you’re going to say that genetics means nothing

    International basketball isn’t one event. It’s hundreds of events. I told you that the black African teams routinely get crushed in international competition. Once again, NOT ONE EVENT. Should I repeat it? NOT ONE EVENT!!!!!!!

    I don’t know what you’re trying to say about American whites vs. American blacks. I told you, American whites have vastly broader choices. It’s easier to be an investment banker or corporate lawyer than it is to be an NBA player. What’s more, an NBA career is short lived. Consequently, a lawyer or banker makes more money in the long run and doesn’t have to be exceptionally talented to excel at those professions. A career in the NBA is a one in ten million proposition. That’s why there are fewer white Americans. Again, Eastern Europe and Argentina produce great basketball teams and players. The African teams cannot compete with them. Once again, the Africans are 100% black. Use your head please.

    Black and white men differ significantly on some skeletal characteristics which these differences have implications for osteoporosis (blacks have stronger bones than whites) and the study of human body composition.

    LOL. Which blacks? There isn’t a single uniform block known as “blacks.” So any “study” that talks about black people as a monolith is necessarily full of shit. Two African ethnic groups can be more divergent genetically than whites and Asians.

    <blockquote<Blacks have 2.5 to 5 percent higher testosterone than whites.

    Wrong again. Whites have higher testosterone concentrations than blacks.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570

    Testosterone is positively correlated with body hair. Some whites are nearly as hairy as monkeys. Blacks are relatively hairless.

    Rushton goes through a whole list of musculoskeletal differences along with many other variables in Race, Evolution, and Behavior.

    Rushton was a joker and a fraud who is only taken seriously by dumb white racists who are too stupid to know any better. He’s been censured for research fraud by real scientists and academics. He was on the payroll of the Pioneer Fund, which is a neo-Nazi organization. Please don’t mention Rushton in a serious discussion.

    Blacks ARE built for it.

    If that were true the blackest people on the planet wouldn’t get killed routinely by all-white teams.

    It’s not pseudoscience. Are you to tell me that there are no morphological and intellect differences between two genetically isolated populations for tens of thousands of years?

    Human differences in intelligence are expressed on an individual level. If you go through your life claiming that blacks are less intelligent you’re going to have many rude awakenings when you encounter blacks that are smarter than you. Why are you obsessed with grouping people when, if you were smart yourself, you would know that’s a losing proposition? In terms of morphology, there’s too much variability in Africa to say that blacks are this or blacks are that. I know you’re desperate for these things to be real, but reality is what it is. For example, there are black people that are smarter than you and everyone you know. If the African environment didn’t select for high intelligence, how did those people emerge? If there are certain genes that enhance intelligence, how come those black people have it and you don’t? Remember, you are positing a hard genetic split. In fact the only way to have racial hierarchies in intelligence is via speciation, such as we saw between humans and Neanderthals. I know of no serious scientist who supports the idea of separate races among humanity. There are socially constructed races, which are fluid and everchanging. But biologically, humans are virtual carbon copies. So where within this tiny 0.1% sliver of differentiation would the genes therein concoct hierarchies among different population groups? In fact that 0.1% is responsible only for superficial variation. Intelligence is too complex to be addressed there

    Blacks happen to be more athletic than whites on average.

    The evidence does not support that idea.

    So how many NBA stars does Appalachia have?

    How many hockey players or downhill skiers do blacks have? It’s all about culture, not genetics or phenotype.

    Why do Africans have world-class soccer teams? Genetics.

    Then that must be the same reason Europe has world-class soccer teams.

    Why are black Americans extremely over represented in the NBA? Genetics.

    Nope. Socio-economics. It’s the same reason the NHL is virtually 100% white. Black people can skate as well as anyone, but they don’t play hockey.

    Sure we have to deal with the here and now. Just because a bunch of black Americans decimated a team full of Nigerians doesn’t mean anything. As I said earlier, it is one event.

    Once again, Africa is not a basketball powerhouse. Everyone beats them. These are the best teams and the best players from Africa, and they get crushed.

    I did above with the super-selection link.

    No you didn’t. You linked to a blogger. That’s not proof of anything. There is no mechanism in the immigration process to select for intelligence. I’m African myself and I can assure you that many of the Africans that end up coming to America are the dumbest and the dullest, not the best and the brightest. The key to immigrating overseas is to have supportive relatives in the host country. Those relatives don’t care how smart or dumb their family members are. My own extended family in the United States is hundreds strong. No one gave anyone an intelligence test before helping them to immigrate.

    but regression to the mean occurs where the child falls closer to the racial average.

    If the children and grandchildren of African immigrants are more successful than their their parents and grand-parents (and they are) then the opposite of regression to the mean has occurred, By the way, regression to the mean is one of those catch phrases that race realists and HBDers throw out there but don’t really understand.

    I think Chanda made his case. Only the delusional who don’t want to face reality would argue otherwise.

    Is it supposed to mean anything that there hasn’t been a white boxing champion in decades?

    Yes. Same European genetics, different outcomes. That proves that culture and environment are the driving forces, not genetics.

    I watch baseball religiously. Derek Jeter is the best defensive shortstop of all time.

    Jeter is credited with longevity and more championships, but Ozzie Smith was a defensive wizard. In fact that was his nickname: The Wizard. Go to YouTube and watch their respective highlights. Jeter doesn’t even go after the balls Ozzie Smith used to go after. You see, in baseball you can maintain your defensive credentials by being ultra conservative and risk averse. If you don’t dive for a sharply hit ground ball, it’s not an error against you, it’s a hit. So some players don’t try. Ozzie went after everything.

    Better batters come to the plate more often than worse batters.

    Nope. If they’re both in the starting line-up they get roughly the same amount of hits.

    The real world doesn’t have to care about this. But they should know that by denying human nature and human diversity that society will continue its decay.

    So do you, as a white man, want to automatically be presumed to be a child rapist? After all, that’s the typical profile. In fact in Bali the Canadian embassy puts out an advisory asking people to call the police if they see ANY white man near local children. Do you want to be greeted with that on your vacation to Bali? How about mass shooters or serial killers? Should we just assume that you are one or the other? You see, if we start generalizing rather than treating people as individuals you might be ensnared in your own trap. It’s not a one-way street.

    Someone knowing an intelligent black man doesn’t negate the fact that on average blacks have an IQ of 85 in America.

    85 is higher than the IQ of whites of a few generations ago. It’s currently higher than the IQ’s of Iran, Pakistan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, India and a host of other white/Caucasian countries. If HDB is valid, why do black Americans have higher IQ’s than about 2 billion Caucasians? Why did white Americans score at imbecile levels 50 years ago?

    black-white IQ gap being attributed to genetic factors

    Excuse me, but real scientists, geneticists and credentialed academics can’t make that statement and you, a neophyte blogger with no apparent training or knowledge are going to say that with such certitude? And you wonder why no one takes you guys seriously?

    How does intelligence work then if I don’t understand it?

    The way intelligence works is that nature draws are hard, discrete line. Either an organism has something or it doesn’t. That’s why you don’t find any chimpanzees that can fly airplanes or do trigonometry. If we find even one chimpanzee that can do those things then we’d have to re-examine our entire understanding of chimp intelligence. We would have to concede that where there’s one there’s likely many others. Whether or how those abilities are expressed in other chimps is governed by history, influences, culture, environment, diet, lifestyle, etc. NOT GENETICS. You talked about finding an intelligent black man as though intelligence is somehow less prevalent among blacks. Nature doesn’t work that way. There are people sitting in African villages right now that are smarter than you and everyone you know. Similarly, there were European barbarian geniuses sitting in their caves and dung huts during the time of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Rome. No one ever heard of them because they lacked the means by which to express their genius. If they had been in Rome they could have been great philosophers, great generals or great builders. But they had a different tradition, in a different culture, so they lived and died without making so much as a peep.

    No the testing done in Africa is not fraudulent. Lynn used individuals in Africa who were diseased and the like to get an actual representative sample of the population.

    LOL. Lynn is a fraud. The whole world knows it. I tell you what, I’ll test some diseased Europeans to get the European average.

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    • RaceRealist says:

      International basketball isn’t one event. It’s hundreds of events. I told you that the black African teams routinely get crushed in international competition. Once again, NOT ONE EVENT. Should I repeat it? NOT ONE EVENT!!!!!!!

      Maternal haplotypes may play a role here, as well as differing environments. I don’t even known why this has to be said.

      I told you, American whites have vastly broader choices. It’s easier to be an investment banker or corporate lawyer than it is to be an NBA player.

      You should clarify. It’s easier for American whites to be an investment banker or corporate lawyer than an NBA player because whites are more intelligent and less athletic than blacks on average. Differences in testosterone, muscle fiber typing, and physiological differences play a part, among other factors.

      Again, Eastern Europe and Argentina produce great basketball teams and players.

      How many players from Eastern Europe and Argentina are in the NBA?

      LOL. Which blacks? There isn’t a single uniform block known as “blacks.” So any “study” that talks about black people as a monolith is necessarily full of shit. Two African ethnic groups can be more divergent genetically than whites and Asians.

      Black Americans, i.e., those descended from West Africa. I provided more than enough links to prove my point.

      Wrong again. Whites have higher testosterone concentrations than blacks.

      1) That study says that Mexican Americans have higher concentrations of testosterone than white Americans, 2) there was no difference seen between black and white Americans.

      The study I linked is a meta-analysis of 15 studies concluded that blacks have 2.5 to 4.9 percent higher testosterone on average than whites.

      Testosterone is positively correlated with body hair. Some whites are nearly as hairy as monkeys. Blacks are relatively hairless.

      It is. But just because there is one variable that whites have that is correlated with high testosterone over blacks does not mean that whites have higher testosterone than blacks, on average.

      Rushton was a joker and a fraud who is only taken seriously by dumb white racists who are too stupid to know any better. He’s been censured for research fraud by real scientists and academics. He was on the payroll of the Pioneer Fund, which is a neo-Nazi organization. Please don’t mention Rushton in a serious discussion.

      He was censored due to resolute ignorance. Yes he was on the PF payroll and was its president until his death in 2012. He had to accept funding from them because he couldn’t get research funding everywhere else. How is Rushton not a ‘real scientist’ or ‘real academic’? I can defend Rushton’s points as I am well read on them. I have a few articles where I talk about Rushton’s theories, comment on those and we can discuss. Rushton was right.

      Charles Murray also responded to the same allegations that you accuse Rushton of due to his relationship with the PF. He says:

      “Never mind that the relationship between the founder of the Pioneer Fund and today’s Pioneer Fund is roughly analogous to the relationship between Henry Ford’s antisemitism and today’s Ford Foundation. The charges have been made, they have wide currency, and some people will always believe that The Bell Curve rests on data concocted by neo-Nazi eugenicists.”

      Is the Ford Foundation, and by extent, the whole Ford company an antisemetic one due to Ford being an antisemite?

      Is Jensen another ‘joker and fraud who is only taken seriously by dumb white racists who are too stupid to know any better”?

      If that were true the blackest people on the planet wouldn’t get killed routinely by all-white teams.

      That doesn’t refute physiological differences.

      If you go through your life claiming that blacks are less intelligent you’re going to have many rude awakenings when you encounter blacks that are smarter than you. Why are you obsessed with grouping people when, if you were smart yourself, you would know that’s a losing proposition? In terms of morphology, there’s too much variability in Africa to say that blacks are this or blacks are that. I know you’re desperate for these things to be real, but reality is what it is. For example, there are black people that are smarter than you and everyone you know.

      Of course, it would be ignorant to state otherwise. The Ibo are one of the most intelligent ethnic groups in SSA. People are grouped on average. Also, the genetic variation in Africa only holds true for junk genes. In fact, Cvalli-Sforza says that differences between most sub-Saharan Africans other than Khoisan and Pygmies seem rather small. This is real and this is reality. Human differences in biology and physiology came about due to ancestral environment over tens of thousands of years of genetic isolation. There is no questioning this.

      If the African environment didn’t select for high intelligence, how did those people emerge?

      If we’re talking about just Africans with no comparison to other populations, then sure they are intelligent. However, this is not how we quantify ‘intelligence’ when we’re speaking about between-group differences. Without that baseline comparison, it’s meaningless. They emerged because they were successful and adapted to the environment they were in, Natural Selection. However in comparison to Europeans, they do not have a high cognitive ability, on average.

      If there are certain genes that enhance intelligence, how come those black people have it and you don’t?

      These genes differ in frequency between populations. We can discuss this here.

      Remember, you are positing a hard genetic split. In fact the only way to have racial hierarchies in intelligence is via speciation, such as we saw between humans and Neanderthals.

      Human populations are genetically distant enough with Fst calculations to be classified as different species. Don’t take it from me, take it from Sewall Wright, the founder of the Fst method:

      Consequently, the results of the studies have led population geneticists to two diametrically opposite conclusions. Lewontin called the observed differences trivial, and proclaimed that “racial classification is now seen to be of no genetic or taxonomic significance” so that “no justification can be offered for its continuance.” This view is echoed by authors of similar studies, who seem to be surprised that genetic variation within populations is greater than that between them. By contrast, Sewell Wright who can hardly be taken for a dilettante in questions of population genetics, has stated emphatically that if differences of this magnitude were observed in any other species, the groups they distinguish would be called subspecies.

      Do genetically isolated populations not differ in intelligence? I need a source for your claim.

      I know of no serious scientist who supports the idea of separate races among humanity.

      You are sadly mistaken. See Lieberman et al (2004).

      There are socially constructed races, which are fluid and everchanging. But biologically, humans are virtual carbon copies. So where within this tiny 0.1% sliver of differentiation would the genes therein concoct hierarchies among different population groups? In fact that 0.1% is responsible only for superficial variation. Intelligence is too complex to be addressed there

      Just because there is only a .1 (which is higher) difference in the genome between human populations does not discount the reality of race.

      Gene variants have been found that differ in frequency between world populations. See above link ‘Individual and Racial Differences in IQ and Allele Frequencies’.

      Further, is that small genetic distance supposed to refute that human races don’t exist? Cats have 90 percent homologous genes with humans; 82% with dogs; 80% with cows; 79% with chimpanzees; 69% with rats and 67% with mice.

      90% of the mouse genome could be lined up with a region on the human genome.

      99% of mouse genes turn out to have analogues in humans.

      We share 97.5 percent of our DNA with lab mice.

      So we see here that we share a lot of DNA with other animals, as well as animals also sharing similar amounts of DNA, which shows that it comes down to how genes are expressed and not the amount of genetic distance between the 2 animals being tested.

      The races also differ in gene expression as well.

      The evidence does not support that idea.

      Yes it does. Then you would have to figure out why blacks are better than whites in sports? Are blacks overrepresented in the NFL due to genetics or environment?

      How many hockey players or downhill skiers do blacks have? It’s all about culture, not genetics or phenotype.

      One sport means… what exactly? I’ll look into this and get back to you.

      Then that must be the same reason Europe has world-class soccer teams.

      Gather data on the ethnic mix of the team (for instance one of Italy’s stars is African).

      Nope. Socio-economics. It’s the same reason the NHL is virtually 100% white. Black people can skate as well as anyone, but they don’t play hockey.

      Hockey is another timing-based sport.

      Once again, Africa is not a basketball powerhouse. Everyone beats them. These are the best teams and the best players from Africa, and they get crushed.

      Discussed above.

      No you didn’t. You linked to a blogger. That’s not proof of anything. There is no mechanism in the immigration process to select for intelligence. I’m African myself and I can assure you that many of the Africans that end up coming to America are the dumbest and the dullest, not the best and the brightest. The key to immigrating overseas is to have supportive relatives in the host country. Those relatives don’t care how smart or dumb their family members are. My own extended family in the United States is hundreds strong. No one gave anyone an intelligence test before helping them to immigrate.

      OK? Does that discredit what was written? There is a clear mechanism. In case you didn’t read it:

      Some African immigrants to the U.S. do quite well. Based on national achievement semifinalist qualifications, I recently estimated that Nigerian Americans are no less apt than White Americans. However a cursory analysis of the vast “brain drain” research on emigrant selection shows that most African emigrants to the U.S. and the OECD in general are highly unrepresentative in education.

      A huge majority of Nigerians that emigrate are of Ibo descent. Morover, the amount of Africans in America with degrees is higher than that of native white Americans, which is due to super-selection.

      If the children and grandchildren of African immigrants are more successful than their their parents and grand-parents (and they are) then the opposite of regression to the mean has occurred, By the way, regression to the mean is one of those catch phrases that race realists and HBDers throw out there but don’t really understand.

      How do they ‘do better’? I do understand regression to the mean. Future familial offspring don’t keep regressing until they reach the racial average, but they decrease to a family mean while at the same time regressing towards that racial mean

      Explain RTM to me.

      I think Chanda made his case. Only the delusional who don’t want to face reality would argue otherwise.

      I admit that he gave one of the best arguments I’ve ever seen in regards to the B-W IQ gap, but he fell short in proving it. I rebutted his last article, he didn’t even respond to criticism and it’s been 4 months now.

      Yes. Same European genetics, different outcomes. That proves that culture and environment are the driving forces, not genetics.

      Dysgenics**

      Jeter is credited with longevity and more championships, but Ozzie Smith was a defensive wizard. In fact that was his nickname: The Wizard. Go to YouTube and watch their respective highlights. Jeter doesn’t even go after the balls Ozzie Smith used to go after. You see, in baseball you can maintain your defensive credentials by being ultra conservative and risk averse. If you don’t dive for a sharply hit ground ball, it’s not an error against you, it’s a hit. So some players don’t try. Ozzie went after everything.

      I followed Jeter’s whole career. He is one of, in my opnion, the best shortstops ever to play the game. Do you not remember the ridiculous plays Jeter made? Also, Jeter is number 6 on the all-time hit list. Showing a better reaction time. Smith is 110.

      Nope. If they’re both in the starting line-up they get roughly the same amount of hits.

      Nope. The number one hitter you want to be someone with a high batting average as he’s your lead off guy. You put your worst as number 9 as they get less at bats. The number one hitter gets one more at bat on average than the number 9 hitter.

      So do you, as a white man, want to automatically be presumed to be a child rapist? After all, that’s the typical profile. In fact in Bali the Canadian embassy puts out an advisory asking people to call the police if they see ANY white man near local children. Do you want to be greeted with that on your vacation to Bali?

      Any data on this? There must be if this was reported. However, in America, blacks make up 25 percent of those incarcerated for child molestation, almost two times their represenation in the population. Whites represent 50 percent.

      How about mass shooters

      My favorite!

      Before rushing to play pin the tale on the honkey, did anyone bother to check the history of mass killings?

      Because I have–a comprehensive list dating from 1982 through 9/16/2013 is found at Mother Jones here–and guess what?

      Of the last 20 mass killings of that period, 9 were perpetrated by non-whites.

      That would be 45 percent, which exceeds non-whites’ 37 percent share of the population.

      Of the last 30 mass killings, 11 were committed by non-whites–right at the 37 percent mark.

      And what if we go all the way back to 1982? We then have 66 mass killings in which the races of the perpetrators were known, and 22 of them, or one-third, were at the hands of non-whites. Note here that America’s demographics have been changing, with non-whites comprising only about 20 percent of the population in 1982; thus, if we consider an approximate average non-white population of 28.5 percent during the 31-year period in question, it appears that, again, mass murderers are slightly disproportionately non-white.

      In other words, there is no evidence whatsoever that mass killings are a characteristically white phenomenon.

      And there never was.

      It’s Asian Americans who commit the most per capita, representing 6 percent of the U.S. population, but were 15 percent of the mass shooters for the 31 year period.

      serial killers?

      This myth needs to be put to bed.

      5 Myths about Serial Killers and Why They Persist [Excerpt]

      You see, if we start generalizing rather than treating people as individuals you might be ensnared in your own trap. It’s not a one-way street.

      I agree we should treat people as individuals, I’m talking averages.

      Rushton, Jensen, Herrnstein, Murray, Gottfresdson and many others have said you cannot infer someone’s IQ by knowing their racial background.

      85 is higher than the IQ of whites of a few generations ago. It’s currently higher than the IQ’s of Iran, Pakistan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, India and a host of other white/Caucasian countries. If HDB is valid, why do black Americans have higher IQ’s than about 2 billion Caucasians? Why did white Americans score at imbecile levels 50 years ago?

      The cause for lower white IQ is due to the Flynn Effect, which is better nutrition. Those countries you named don’t have good nutrition. Black Americans have higher IQs than 2 billion caucasians? What? A select few, but we are talking about averages.

      Excuse me, but real scientists, geneticists and credentialed academics can’t make that statement and you, a neophyte blogger with no apparent training or knowledge are going to say that with such certitude? And you wonder why no one takes you guys seriously?

      Rushton and Jensen (2005, pg 279):

      A conundrum for theorists of all persuasions, however, is that there is too little evidence of any environmental effects. The hereditarian model of Black–White IQ differences proposed in Section 2 (50% genetic and 50% environmental), far from precluding environmental factors, requires they be found. Although evidence in Sections 3 to 11 provided strong support for the genetic component of the model, evidence from Section 12 was unable to identify the environmental component. On the basis of the present evidence, perhaps the genetic component must be given greater weight and the environmental component correspondingly reduced. In fact, Jensen’s (1998b, p. 443) latest statement of the hereditarian model,termed the default hypothesis, is that genetic and cultural factors carry the exact same weight in causing the mean Black–White difference in IQ as they do in causing individual differences in IQ, about 80% genetic–20% environmental by adulthood.

      I have already shown there are differences in allelic frequencies that affect IQ.

      Whether or how those abilities are expressed in other chimps is governed by history, influences, culture, environment, diet, lifestyle, etc. NOT GENETICS.

      Crazy talk. If a chimp could do human things, every other factor but genetics would be involved?

      You talked about finding an intelligent black man as though intelligence is somehow less prevalent among blacks. Nature doesn’t work that way. There are people sitting in African villages right now that are smarter than you and everyone you know. Similarly, there were European barbarian geniuses sitting in their caves and dung huts during the time of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Rome. No one ever heard of them because they lacked the means by which to express their genius. If they had been in Rome they could have been great philosophers, great generals or great builders. But they had a different tradition, in a different culture, so they lived and died without making so much as a peep.

      You are correct. That doesn’t change averages, though.

      LOL. Lynn is a fraud. The whole world knows it. I tell you what, I’ll test some diseased Europeans to get the European average.

      Just because Lynn is wrong, sometimes means he’s a fraud?

      He used diseased Africans in the sample as that is what you need for a representative sample of the African population. Not using those with diseases in the sample will lead to a false reading. Finally, your suggestion to use diseased Europeans is not a good example as the average European is not diseased.

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  7. Chinedu says:

    Hockey is another timing-based sport.

    That’s funny, seeing as how blacks created modern hockey.

    The Colored Hockey League of Maritimes in Nova Scotia was formed in 1894 across the provinces of Canada. This was 22 years before the National Hockey League. The first all-black ice hockey league held over a dozen teams and employed over 400 African-Canadian players. The men were typically natives from the Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island areas. The league was especially surprising to the stereotypical beliefs of whites that blacks couldn’t endure cold climates or that we didn’t have ankles strong enough to ice skate.

    Before the Colored Hockey League, the white leagues played in a primitive, gentle manner. The CHL transformed the game into a fast-paced competition. It was formed by Baptist Ministers and Church Administrators who were the sons and grandsons of runaway slaves. The league consisted of teams such as the Dartmouth Jubilees, the Halifax Eurekas, the Truro Sheiks and the AfricVille Brown Bombers. The Colored Hockey League would use the teachings of Booker T. Washington, the Bible and speech resources from the Underground Railroad in their gamebooks and strategies.

    Many hockey firsts were said to have come from the Colored Hockey League. For instance, the practice of allowing the goalie to use their feet to cover a puck was said to have come from the Colored League in 1900. League player Eddie Martin was also said to have been the first to use the slap shot.

    Unfortunately, the contributions of the CHL were ignored and copied by white leagues, who took credit for many of the game-changing elements. The league would eventually dissolve among racism and discrimination for a league and race that had grown in power through sport. There is little reference to the Colored Hockey League in any Canadian hockey archives.

    https://blackamericaweb.com/2013/10/04/little-known-black-history-fact-the-colored-hockey-league/

    You’re extremely easy to debunk.

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  8. editka says:

    In studies is that Whites have higher testosterone than blacks and bigger penises than blacks

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